Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchronization in bandwidth constrained environments (note for RRDP v2)
Ties de Kock <tdekock@ripe.net> Fri, 09 June 2023 08:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchronization in bandwidth constrained environments (note for RRDP v2)
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> On 8 Jun 2023, at 17:37, Job Snijders <job@fastly.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 05:13:55PM +0200, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: >> As for lessons learned for a future RRDP. There are a number of things >> that I think could be done. To just name a few: >> >> - No new snapshot on every update >> >> This is hard for the server. Writing a full snapshot of multiple MBs for >> every change adds up. I think it would be better to have snapshots every >> so often and use deltas to get to the current state >> >> - Combine deltas >> >> Let the server pre-calculate combined deltas from serial X to current. >> This saves the RPs downloading many files. It saves bandwidth in cases >> where files are updated multiple times (e.g. a CA published multiple >> ROAs as separate events). >> >> - Binary format >> >> We can have a DER encoded structures (since we do DER anyway) that can >> contain all the data. This saves a lot of XML and base64 overhead. I have >> not done the analysis but I think that the actual DER objects don't compress >> well - so we may not need compression if we do this. >> >> - Pointers for stragglers? >> >> Notification files should be short. This means that RPs that have not >> synced for a long time will have to do a full re-sync. What may help >> is that there are pointers included to longer notification files for >> those that need it. > > Another thing that I'd consider to add to the list would be advisory > timing parameters in the notify file: A publication server in trouble, > could sorta 'increase' their capacity if the server could request RPs to > fetch less frequently. Do we need to do this in the RRDP protocol? Or could we maybe get close with HTTP headers? Kind regards, Ties
- [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchronization… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Di Ma
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Lukas Tribus
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Mikhail Puzanov
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Mikhail Puzanov
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Publication Point -> RP synchroniza… Ties de Kock