Re: [Sidrops] [routing-wg] misconceptions about ROV
Jeroen Massar <jeroen@massar.ch> Thu, 24 February 2022 10:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [routing-wg] misconceptions about ROV
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This will be very off-topic, but is likely also founded into a misconception: > On 20220224, at 10:16, Tim Bruijnzeels <tim@nlnetlabs.nl> wrote: [..] > I was trying to have a discussion about a possible way to help > operational future deployment. [...] > > I know - it's naive to think that that would be what the IETF > is for. Fine. I will stop here. Discussion once again seems > entirely pointless. Do you want to have a discussion, or do you want to just tell people to stop discussing because you are disagreeing with the arguments they are providing? > > [..] was kind enough to answer. Are you implying that other people are being unkind? Calling people naive, is not being very kind in my book... Greets, Jeroen (who is not technically capable of adding anything to the technical discussion because I have not read up properly; hence letting the people talk who did read up and have broad experience in running actual infrastructure --- running code et al -- but I hate seeing such comments in a thread.... and actually, we should not focus on those and just likely ignore those kind of comments completely, but ... hard please gentlemen and other ladies, keep things civil and technical instead of attacking eachother between lines, it does not cause a worthy environment to contribute to. Please have a good chill, reconsider why people contribute to the IETF, write code and contribute, then come back with arguments. I will be adding technical comments when I have actually fully read up, likely coded a few things and deployed things though but that requires time that is not available at the moment... I will be back, and am reading along.
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