Re: [Sidrops] trying to limit RP processing variability

Tim Bruijnzeels <tim@nlnetlabs.nl> Wed, 15 April 2020 14:57 UTC

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From: Tim Bruijnzeels <tim@nlnetlabs.nl>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:57:41 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] trying to limit RP processing variability
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> On 15 Apr 2020, at 16:56, Tim Bruijnzeels <tim@nlnetlabs.nl> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2020, at 16:14, Martin Hoffmann <martin@opennetlabs.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Job Snijders wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 03:01:41PM +0200, Martin Hoffmann wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 1.Manifest present, valid, current  
>>>> 
>>>> If there is a present, valid, and current manifest, the CRL can
>>>> safely be ignored for all objects.  
>>> 
>>> I'd like to ask you for some clarification, Stephen Kent listed 4
>>> different cases, I parapharsed here:
>>> 
>>> 1.1. Manifest present, valid, current AND CRL present, valid, current
>>> 1.2. Manifest present, valid, current AND CRL present, stale
>>> 1.3. Manifest present, valid, current AND CRL present, invalid
>>> 1.4. Manifest present, valid, current AND CRL missing
>>> 
>>> When you say "can safely be ignored", do you mean, MAY be ignored,
>>> SHOULD be ignored? or MUST be ignored? In all four cases?
>> 
>> In all cases. Since it is ignored, it doesn’t really matter whether it
>> is good or bad or ugly. 
>> 
>> I suppose I would go with "SHOULD be ignored" here.
>> 
>>>> In order to avoid using partial sets of information, the entire
>>>> content of the PP is ignored if any object is missing, corrupted, or
>>>> invalid.  
>>> 
>>> It appears we are inching towards consensus on avoiding to use partial
>>> sets, I think that's good news.
>> 
>> Keep in mind that there is still a possibility that partial sets are
>> created if a resource is delegated to two separate entities and one of
>> them goes kaputt. I have no idea how likely that is in practice. This
>> rule should, however, cover the rather more likely case of partial sets
>> because of partial breakage of a single publication point.
> 
> A practical approach here could be to add all resources on the issuing CA certificate for this publication point to a SLURM like ignore filter.
> 
> This way one can be sure that one does not generate RPKI invalid *announcements* because of missing information.

To be clear.. I mean a 'virtual filter' in the context of the validation run. Not a permanent file on disk or anything :)

> 
> Kind regards,
> Tim
> 
> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Martin
>> 
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