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Re: [Sidrops] 6486bis: referenced object validation

Ties de Kock <tdekock@ripe.net> Fri, 04 December 2020 10:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486bis: referenced object validation
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> On 4 Dec 2020, at 11:51, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 11:47:17AM +0100, Ties de Kock wrote:
>>> On 4 Dec 2020, at 11:40, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 11:16:51AM +0100, Martin Hoffmann wrote:
>>>> Under this approach, the manifest expresses which objects the CA
>>>> intended to publish. If all the objects listed on the manifest are
>>>> present with a matching hash, the publication point reflects the
>>>> intent of the CA and can be processed. If it contains invalid objects,
>>>> these can be discarded individually.
>>> 
>>> Indeed, I believe you've now captured the essence of why manifests
>>> exists at all. This is what rpki-client & FORT seem to have implemented.
>>> 
>>> Other than the hashes matching & files being present, additional
>>> conditions apply: the manifest & EE certificate need to be valid,
>>> current, latest, correctly encoded, part of the cert chain, CRL present,
>>> etc.
>> 
>> However, validating these requirements for just CMS objects (as per
>> -03, instead of for CAs as well as per -00) leaves open the situation
>> where only part of the objects for a CA apply. When the ROAs are
>> correct, but the sub-CA is not, this can cause outages.
>> 
>> I don't have a preference on which way to go, but I would propose that
>> we treat invalidation (time, c.f. because of semantic errors) for both
>> CA certificates and other objects similarly.
> 
> I am not sure I follow, can you construct an example data set where the
> 'situation left open' you describe appears?
> 

Thanks for asking for clarification. I'll try to explain the scenario:

CA certificate with <AS64496, 192.0.2.0/24>
  * Manifest, containing
	  * ROA: AS0, 192.0.2.0/24
	  * sub-CA, resources: <AS64496, 192.0.2.0/24>
	  	* Manifest, containing:
			  * ROA: <AS64496, 192.0.2.0/24>

We have "all or nothing" for ROAs. I argue that a similar situation is present
for sub-CAs if the sub-CA expires.

Kind regards,
Ties

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