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Re: [Sidrops] proposed, revised text for Section 6

Stephen Kent <stkent@verizon.net> Tue, 05 May 2020 19:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] proposed, revised text for Section 6
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George,
> I just want to note that while I think you made a logically consistent
> choice, I do not agree with its intent, in as much as I believe cached
> state could be used to construct the valid state which the manifest
> and CRL declare.
>
> So, I think you drove to a harder place than I intended. But, I accept
> this is a choice, and a strong choice.
>
> I suspect I am in a minority of one on this. I would not seek to
> impede a group decision driving to a more narrow constrained
> definition.

I believe Job made a good argument supporting your observation, and we 
can revise the text to take advantage of the cached state. I will note, 
in passing, that this can introduce variances in local processing based 
on local cache loss and/or differences in cache refresh timing by 
different RPs. But, if everyone is comfortable accepting the potential 
variance, I'm happy to proceed.

Steve

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