Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker - ENDS 09/07/2018 - Sept 7th 2018
Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Fri, 31 August 2018 15:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker - ENDS 09/07/2018 - Sept 7th 2018
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Hi Daniel, Daniel Kopp wrote on 31/08/2018 13:01: > The draft is intended for networks that can't (technically) or won't > (politically) implement RPKI in their own networks, If an organisation won't implement RPKI for policy reasons, then that is a decision that they are responsible for, and it is not really the job of the IETF to engineer around their layer 9 problems. Regarding the "can't technically" position that some networks find themselves in, this argument is evaporating quickly, as more bgp stacks implement RO validation. All the major vendors do this already on current equipment, so this is beginning to become a question of whether people are on current support contracts or not, which brings the issue back to a policy decision on their part, rather than strictly a technical decision. > maybe we can find a way to make this work This is the crux: in the context of ebgp and public exchange of NLRIs, the draft presents a methodology which is incompatible with good quality network engineering and product design. I don't believe this can be fixed. Nick
- [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bg… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Ruediger Volk
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)