Re: [Sidrops] rfc8210bis further review - question 4
Claudio Jeker <cjeker@diehard.n-r-g.com> Sat, 09 March 2024 16:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] rfc8210bis further review - question 4
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On Sat, Mar 09, 2024 at 01:52:45PM +0100, Job Snijders wrote: > Dear all, > > Question 4 > ========== > > Section 11 "ROA PDU Race Minimization" talks about how 'an initial full > load' might cause issues, and therefor the cache should send the PDUs in > a specific order and also try to group the PDUs together in a specific way. > > But this protocol also has an 'End of Data' marker, which is a strong > signal that the router received a complete and full load, after which > the router can commit to using the received data and commence convergence. > > It seems to me that a potential for race conditions is avoided by > recommending/mandating the router to buffer up the cache's response > until it sees the End-of-Data marker. And of course that caches don't > needlessly sprinkle ROAs for the same prefix across different Cache > Responses. > > Issues in 'time delay' can be avoided by framing RTR as a > delta-delimited (not time-dependent) protocol, which it of course is. > Reading RTR PDUs off the wire straight into the route decision engine > without waiting for the End-of-Data marker is what may cause issues. I > expect that the router can do various pre-processing while reading & > waiting for the end-of-data marker, so I suspect promoting the > end-of-marker to be the pivot point, doesn't need to cause additional > delays. > > Thoughts? This is roughly what OpenBGPD does. We added a timeout for good measure for the case that a RTR cache went out for lunch while serving a delta. So in OpenBGPD updates to the ROA and ASPA trees are atomic both for each RTR server and for the startup config itself. >From my understanding not all router do the same and so following the make before break rules in section 11 is good. -- :wq Claudio
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- Re: [Sidrops] rfc8210bis further review - questio… Job Snijders
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- Re: [Sidrops] rfc8210bis further review - questio… Job Snijders
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- Re: [Sidrops] rfc8210bis further review - questio… Claudio Jeker
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- Re: [Sidrops] rfc8210bis further review - questio… Claudio Jeker
- [Sidrops] Re: rfc8210bis further review - questio… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] rfc8210bis further review - questio… Job Snijders
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