Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-timbru-sidrops-publication-server-bcp - ENDS 02/08/2024
Job Snijders <job@fastly.com> Tue, 06 February 2024 10:12 UTC
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2024 11:12:14 +0100
From: Job Snijders <job@fastly.com>
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On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 10:57:22AM +0100, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > Job, thank you for your feedback. I will go over some of your other > points later, but wanted to respond to this point now: > > > On Feb 5, 2024, at 22:03, Job Snijders <job=40fastly.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > - Section 6 could perhaps (in addition to the phrase 'consistent') > > describe the desired outcome using the phrase 'atomic'. I think within > > our community we often describe the cause of 'failed fetches' as the > > repository being updated in a non-atomic fashion. > > This section is really about having a consistent, unchanging, view in > rsync. > > There is another, related, issue though that CAs need to publish all > their content in a consistent way, using a multi-element RFC 8181 > publication, to ensure that their Manifest, CRL and all signed > certificates and RPKI objects are published atomically. I thought of > including some text on this, but technically it’s a BCP for a CA, > rather than a Publication Server. I don’t mind extending this document > with CA concerns, but if preferred we could consider having a separate > BCP for CAs. I think you are right to focus the draft BCP at hand on just the publication side of the house, but I was getting at this: The "Publisher" must signal updates in an atomic fashion using multi-element RFC 8181, and additionally, the Publication Point must signal updates in an atomic fashion (be it rsync symlink pivoting, or grouping the RFC 8181 multi-element publication in a single RRDP delta). E.g. the publication point must not unravel the publisher's atomicity. Kind regards, Job
- [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-timb… Chris Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Di Ma
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Hollyman, Michael
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Lukas Tribus
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Tim Bruijnzeels
- [Sidrops] Re: [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Job Snijders
- [Sidrops] Re: [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Tim Bruijnzeels
- [Sidrops] Re: [WG ADOPTION] Adoption call: draft-… Christopher Morrow