Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker - ENDS 09/07/2018 - Sept 7th 2018
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker - ENDS 09/07/2018 - Sept 7th 2018
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Randy Bush wrote on 05/09/2018 07:07: > and it is not only ov-clarify. test whether your fave implementation > re-evaluates a bgp prefix when a roa change comes in over rpki-rtr. the > messy story goes on. [...] > what is nice is that the ixp-provided filter does not have the same > problems as above. really it does. As Job suggested, the majority of ixp route servers run BIRD, and taking the example you mention, one of BIRD's known limitations is that it does not handle revalidation. Another limitation would be that it doesn't handle aggregators as the last element in the as path. In general, if the IXP uses any particular bgp stack (whether ios-xe, junos, bird, etc), it will be stuck with the bugs and shortcomings of that particular implementation, and under the proposals of the validating-bgp-speaker draft, everyone at the ixp will be subject to those particular bugs and shortcomings. It's not valid to say that the IXP rpki implementation will be any better than a "hardware" router because - as Job pointed out already - it's just software under the hood. Nick
- [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bg… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Ruediger Volk
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Daniel Kopp
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validatin… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)