Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-05.txt
Robert Kisteleki <robert@ripe.net> Tue, 28 April 2020 07:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-05.txt
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> The cost to 1 and 2 seem to be: "orgX could fall off the internet,
> they'll learn their lesson or not...:("
> I'd argue that the 'in software updates with clear warnings to the
> updater' is probably safest here,
> despite my sre friends screaming about 'automate all the things' :)
The middle-ground solution was also described: the sw can detect the TAL
change (for example by periodically comparing its local version with the
officially published one) and whine if there's a difference. This lets
all kinds of bells going off even in the absence of auto-update (of the
software). And to keep SREs happy :) it can have an option to just
auto-update when there's a change.
Cheers,
Robert
- [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-t… internet-drafts
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… George Michaelson
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… Robert Kisteleki
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… George Michaelson
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-sign… Robert Kisteleki