Re: [Sidrops] WG-ADOPTION - draft-michaelson-rpki-rta - Ends 12/10/2020 (Dec 10 2020)

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:10:30 +0200
From: Ben Maddison <benm@workonline.africa>
To: Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG-ADOPTION - draft-michaelson-rpki-rta - Ends 12/10/2020 (Dec 10 2020)
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Hi all,

On 11/19, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> Howdy WG Folks!
> During our last Face-to-Face meeting the authors of:
>   draft-michaelson-rpki-rta
> 
> presented their document and requested (in meeting and via email to
> the list) a call for Working Group Adoption. The abstract of the
> document is:
> 
>   "This document defines a Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) profile
>    for a general purpose Resource Tagged Attestation (RTA), for use with
>    the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI).  The objective is to
>    allow an attestation, in the form of an arbitrary digital object, to
>    be signed "with resources", and for validation to provide an outcome
>    of "valid with resources".  The profile is intended to provide for
>    the signing of an attestation with an arbitrary set of resources."
> 
> let's have a read-through, think about applicability to SIDR-OPS as it
> relates to the technology we build and operate (technology and
> business intersection), and provide feedback on the list before
> 10/12/2020 (Dec 10th).

As I said during the 109 meeting, I support adoption.
We have at least two immediate use cases for this:
- Ability for customers (and maybe peers more generally) to prove
  ownership of their ASN
- Ability for customers-of-customers to signal to us which TE/Anti-DDoS
  actions we should honor via communities for their address space

As I mentioned during the meeting, the first of these probably should be
exchanged outside of repo publication; the second needs to be published
in the repos so that direct communication between unrelated parties need
not be required.

As such, I think a primary focus for work on this should be to flesh-out
how in-/out-of-repo should co-exist, and how validation should be done
in each case.

Cheers,

Ben