Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4HKs2ME077659; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k4HKs22E077658; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wrk187.corp.jabber.com (corp-fw-main.jabber.com [207.182.164.14]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4HKs0BD077632 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stpeter@jabber.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wrk187.corp.jabber.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F40D4DEE49; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:54:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <446B8D79.5090807@jabber.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:54:17 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Cridland Cc: Alexey Melnikov , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sieve-notify-xmpp-00.txt References: <4584.1146771351.643856@peirce.dave.cridland.net> <446A587A.1080103@jabber.org> <446AFC69.2030001@isode.com> <1865.1147871958.284560@peirce.dave.cridland.net> In-Reply-To: <1865.1147871958.284560@peirce.dave.cridland.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020804090003090204000000" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020804090003090204000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Cridland wrote: > > On Wed May 17 11:35:21 2006, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>> Personally, I'd be happiest with a URI to the new message, where >>>> possible, but i appreciate there's security concerns there. >>>> >>> What form would such a URI take? >>> >> Can be an IMAP (draft-ietf-lemonade-rfc2192bis-02.txt) or HTTP URL. >> >> > Could reasonably be a mailto: URL, too, which might merely identify the > email address the mail arrived at, as a fallback. True. Or, presumably, a pop: URI. > (OMA's EMN format uses > a non-IANA registered scheme for that kind of thing, too). Non-IANA-registered schemes are scary to me. >>> IMHO the account and message identification considerations belong in >>> draft-ietf-sieve-notify rather than in the XMPP "profile" thereof (which >>> would simply provide an instantiation of those considerations). >>> >> Maybe you are right, but I don't think that draft-ietf-sieve-notify >> can prescribe any particular URI type, because this would vary from >> one deployment/implementation to another. Sure. Presumably we can say that the account and message SHOULD be identified by a URI, but that the scheme to use or prefer shall be determined by local service policy. > It could say "Notifications SHOULD include a URL for the recipient to > use as a hint for locating the message. Where the nature of the > notification allows, this SHOULD be marked in a machine-readable manner > (such as an attribute in XML)." I'd strike the parenthetical clause in sieve-notify and in the xmpp profile say something about how to encapsulate such a URI in an appropriate XMPP extension (e.g., JEP-0066). 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