Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit format

["PELSEMAKER Eric" <[e-mail]>]

Hi all,

In TISPAN TS 183 043 V2.3.1 annex-E, one can find a description of the
sip based overlap sending procedures that are defined for PES-endpoint
and PES-access point.

Kr,  Eric Pelsemaker



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   1. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
      (Sreerekha Shenoy (sresheno))
   2. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in	one-by-one	digit
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:50:59 +0530
From: "Sreerekha Shenoy (sresheno)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
	digit
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Hi Hadi,
I could see that RFC 3578 has some details of managing ISUP overlap
signaling with SIP enbloc dialing.
This RFC is more so for a PSTN-SIP gateway, not really a pure SIP
endpoint though.

Please let me know if you have got a chance to go through it to see if
it helps in anyways.

Thanks,
Best Regards,
Rekha

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      (hadi motamedi)
   2. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
      format? (Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco))
   3. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
      format? (hadi motamedi)
   4. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
      format? (Vijay Tiwari)
   5. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
      format? (hadi motamedi)
   6. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
      format? (Vijay Tiwari)
   7. Re: Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one	digit
      format? (Paul Kyzivat)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:11:52 +0000
From: hadi motamedi <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
	format?
To: [e-mail]
Message-ID:
	<[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:09:17 +0530
From: "Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)"
	<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
	digit	format?
To: "hadi motamedi" <[e-mail]>om>, <[e-mail]>
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Hey Hadi,
 
You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just 6
and remaining digits throught NOTIFY. 
 
Thanks, Prasath

________________________________

From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
hadi motamedi
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?


 
Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
Thank you in advance





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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:54:54 +0000
From: hadi motamedi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
	digit	format?
To: "Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)"
	<[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at
Cisco) <[e-mail]> wrote:

>  Hey Hadi,
>
> You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just
6
> and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
>
> Thanks, Prasath
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf
Of *hadi
> motamedi
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
> *To:* [e-mail]
> *Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
> format?
>
>
> Dear All
> Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
> feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
> mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
> but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
> Thank you in advance
>
>
>
>
>

Sorry . Can you please do me favor and provide me with more details on
this
?
Thank you
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:29:03 +0530
From: Vijay Tiwari <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
	digit	format?
To: "Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at Cisco)"
	<[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Message-ID:
	<[e-mail]>
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Hello All

this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite
number in
request URI.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango - HCL at
Cisco) <[e-mail]> wrote:

>  Hey Hadi,
>
> You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with just
6
> and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
>
> Thanks, Prasath
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf
Of *hadi
> motamedi
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
> *To:* [e-mail]
> *Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
> format?
>
>
> Dear All
> Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
> feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
> mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
> but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
> Thank you in advance
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 07:08:27 +0000
From: hadi motamedi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
	digit	format?
To: Vijay Tiwari <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
<[e-mail]>wrote;wrote:

> Hello All
>
> this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite
number
> in request URI.
>
>   On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango -
HCL at
> Cisco) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>   Hey Hadi,
>>
>> You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with
just 6
>> and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
>>
>> Thanks, Prasath
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf
Of
>> *hadi motamedi
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
>> *To:* [e-mail]
>> *Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit
>> format?
>>
>>
>> Dear All
>> Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
>> feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ? I
>> mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as 6,6,5,9,9,8,3
>> but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
>> Thank you in advance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sip mailing list  https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
>> This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
>> Use [e-mail] for questions on current sip
>> Use [e-mail] for new developments on the application of sip
>>
>
>
>
> --
> They can because they think they can.
>
>

Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:32:48 +0530
From: Vijay Tiwari <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
	digit	format?
To: hadi motamedi <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Message-ID:
	<[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello all

yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for
DTMF
digits.

Thanks
Vijay
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:38 PM, hadi motamedi <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
<[e-mail]>wrote;wrote:
>
>> Hello All
>>
>> this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for invite
number
>> in request URI.
>>
>>   On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X (prelango -
HCL
>> at Cisco) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>>   Hey Hadi,
>>>
>>> You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send invite with
just 6
>>> and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Prasath
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] *On
Behalf Of
>>> *hadi motamedi
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
>>> *To:* [e-mail]
>>> *Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
digit
>>> format?
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All
>>> Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is technically
>>> feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit format ?
I
>>> mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as
6,6,5,9,9,8,3
>>> but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
>>> Thank you in advance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sip mailing list  https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
>>> This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
>>> Use [e-mail] for questions on current sip
>>> Use [e-mail] for new developments on the application of sip
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> They can because they think they can.
>>
>>
>
> Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
>
>
>



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:07:13 -0500
From: Paul Kyzivat <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one
	digit	format?
To: Vijay Tiwari <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed



Vijay Tiwari wrote:
> Hello all
>  
> yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for 
> DTMF digits.

It was not *intended* for this, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be 
used for this purpose. However there is no standard defined for doing
so.

And its extremely unlikely that one would be defined, because it 
requires a different division of responsibility between components than 
the sip specs assume. Specifically, to do this, you have to turn the sip

phone into a dumb device, akin to MGCP, with a master that does most of 
the work. You need to do this, because you must establish a session with

*something* that will receive the digits, and then eventually decide 
when a full number has been entered, and then initiate a call.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Thanks
> Vijay 
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:38 PM, hadi motamedi <[e-mail] 
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
>     <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>         Hello All
>          
>         this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for
>         invite number in request URI.
> 
>         On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X
(prelango
>         - HCL at Cisco) <[e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]>>
>         wrote:
> 
>             Hey Hadi,
>              
>             You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send
invite
>             with just 6 and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
>              
>             Thanks, Prasath
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>             [mailto:[e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]>]
>             *On Behalf Of *hadi motamedi
>             *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
>             *To:* [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>             *Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in
>             one-by-one digit format?
> 
>              
>             Dear All
>             Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is
technically
>             feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit
>             format ? I
>             mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as
>             6,6,5,9,9,8,3
>             but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
>             Thank you in advance
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>             _______________________________________________
>             Sip mailing list
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
>             This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
>             Use [e-mail]
>             <mailto:[e-mail]> for questions on
>             current sip
>             Use [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> for new
>             developments on the application of sip
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         -- 
>         They can because they think they can.
> 
>      
>      
>     Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
> 
>      
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> They can because they think they can.
> 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
> Use [e-mail] for questions on current sip
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:23:01 +0100
From: Christer Holmberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in	one-by-one
	digit	format?
To: 'Paul Kyzivat' <[e-mail]>om>, Vijay Tiwari
	<[e-mail]>
Cc: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Message-ID:
	
<[e-mail].
se>
	
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Hi,

Are you referring to overlap dialling?

One way is to send additional digits in subsequent INVITEs, which is
described in RFC 3578. Another way is to send the additional digits
using INFO, once the INVITE has reached the *something* Paul is
referring to.

Regards,

Christer

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
Paul Kyzivat
Sent: 6. tammikuuta 2010 17:07
To: Vijay Tiwari
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in one-by-one digit
format?



Vijay Tiwari wrote:
> Hello all
>  
> yes KPML is not implement into implement this scenario. its only for 
> DTMF digits.

It was not *intended* for this, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be
used for this purpose. However there is no standard defined for doing
so.

And its extremely unlikely that one would be defined, because it
requires a different division of responsibility between components than
the sip specs assume. Specifically, to do this, you have to turn the sip
phone into a dumb device, akin to MGCP, with a master that does most of
the work. You need to do this, because you must establish a session with
*something* that will receive the digits, and then eventually decide
when a full number has been entered, and then initiate a call.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Thanks
> Vijay
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:38 PM, hadi motamedi <[e-mail] 
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Vijay Tiwari
>     <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>         Hello All
>          
>         this KPML subscription package used for DTMF digits not for
>         invite number in request URI.
> 
>         On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Prasath Elangovan -X
(prelango
>         - HCL at Cisco) <[e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]>>
>         wrote:
> 
>             Hey Hadi,
>              
>             You could do this via KPML Subscription package. Send
invite
>             with just 6 and remaining digits throught NOTIFY.
>              
>             Thanks, Prasath
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>             [mailto:[e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]>]
>             *On Behalf Of *hadi motamedi
>             *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:42 AM
>             *To:* [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>             *Subject:* [Sip] Inquiry:SIP sending dialed digits in
>             one-by-one digit format?
> 
>              
>             Dear All
>             Can you please do me favor and let me know if it is
technically
>             feasible to send the sip dialed digits in one-by-one-digit
>             format ? I
>             mean if the subs dials say 6659983 we try to send it as
>             6,6,5,9,9,8,3
>             but not as 6659983 in just one package with sip invite .
>             Thank you in advance
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>             _______________________________________________
>             Sip mailing list
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip
>             This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol
>             Use [e-mail]
>             <mailto:[e-mail]> for questions on
>             current sip
>             Use [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> for new
>             developments on the application of sip
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         -- 
>         They can because they think they can.
> 
>      
>      
>     Sorry. You mean KPML cannot implement this scenario ?
> 
>      
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> They can because they think they can.
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use 
> [e-mail] for questions on current sip Use 
> [e-mail] for new developments on the application of sip
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