Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections
Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Sat, 15 December 2007 18:27 UTC
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From: Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com>
Subject: Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:27:07 -0600
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On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: > Dean Willis wrote: >> I'd actually like to see us go beyond the batching of "essential >> corrections" and start maintaining complete and fully-revised >> versions of the normative behaviors as internet drafts, perhaps >> occasionally publishing them as RFCs that replace the older versions. > > We are still talking the sip-essential-correction model here, right? > Or is what you propose above a new model? It's the "logical product" of the essential corrections process. Each draft in the essential corrections process has to specify line- by-line changes to the RFC it is correcting. If we were to extract those changes and apply them to the source, we would get the "tracking draft" I'm talking about. >> So for example with RFC 3261, we'd maintain a >> "draft-ietf-sip-rfc3261-bis" that would start as a copy of RFC 3261 >> (with current boilerplate, of course) and then be edited to reflect >> the changes documented in each "essential correction" we agree to. >> Then instead of telling implementors to go read RFC 3261 plus a dozen >> more potentially conflicting revision documents, we could just say >> "see draft-ietf-sip-rfc3261-bis-xx". > > Isn't that what we essentially did with rfc2543-bis set of drafts? > Of course, the domain of influence of SIP back then was a bit more > limited than it is now. > Not really. The 2543-bis work was more traditional draft editing. The various editors would get input, make changes to the draft, then we'd review the changes and maybe accept them or back them out or change them again. In the extended essential corrections process, we'd formally review and reach consensus on each change before committing the change into the -bis document. So every -bis document would reflect WG consensus on the changes at any given time. -- Dean _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
- [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Dean Willis
- [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Juha Heinanen
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Dean Willis
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Dean Willis
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Juha Heinanen
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Dean Willis
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Frank W. Miller
- RE: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Elwell, John
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Juha Heinanen
- Re: [Sip] On The Essentialness of Corrections Jonathan Rosenberg