Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering
Jonathan Rosenberg <jdrosen@cisco.com> Tue, 18 December 2007 23:33 UTC
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I think application/im-iscomposing+xml IS rendered; and its rendering causes the UI to show that the user is typing. As a litmus test for this stuff, a question is whether it can reasonably be converted to a text/plain content and sent in a MESSAGE, and if it is rendered, is the resulting behavior reasonable. For the iscomposing indicators, I think you could. You could instead send a text IM like "Joe is typing a reply..." and render that, and this would achieve the same objective. Also, I would not want to send iscomposing over the SIP dialog - I think it should be on the media path. There will be a LOT of them, and there is a requirement for timeliness. See my other note on the criteria for sending something in dialog vs. along the media path. -Jonathan R. Dean Willis wrote: > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Salvatore Loreto wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> just to add another example to this discussion (same as the vcard >> example): >> an application/im-iscomposing+xml content-type can be put in the body >> of a SIP MESSAGE and it is not (or it is not supposed to be) rendered >> as is to the recipient; an application that understood it would render >> it in whatever way it indicates that a user is in the process of >> composing a message. >> > > Okay, I'm now completely convinced that most uses of MESSAGE are really > candidates for the new INFO events. > > -- > Dean > > _______________________________________________ > Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip > This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip > Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip > -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 499 Thornall St. Cisco Fellow Edison, NJ 08837 Cisco, Voice Technology Group jdrosen@cisco.com http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (408) 902-3084 http://www.cisco.com _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
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- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Dale.Worley
- RE: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Dean Willis
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Dean Willis
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Dean Willis
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Dean Willis
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering David R Oran
- Re: [Sip] MESSAGE for rendering Paul Kyzivat