RE: [Sip] Support for Multipart/MIME
Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com> Wed, 09 May 2007 20:23 UTC
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 13:22:53 -0700
To: "James M. Polk" <jmpolk@cisco.com>, Dan Wing <dwing@cisco.com>, "'Christer Holmberg (JO/LMF)'" <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>, Dale.Worley@comcast.net
From: Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com>
Subject: RE: [Sip] Support for Multipart/MIME
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At 2:40 PM -0500 5/9/07, James M. Polk wrote: >It's possible/probable/obvious (depending on who you talk to) that multipart will have to be supported for emergency calling, in which there is an SDP body and a Location message body... > >This doesn't mean UAs that *don't* establish voice/video dialogs will have to support multipart, just for those UAs that do establish voice/video dialogs with emergency response centers (again, depending on who you talk to). That won't be multipart/alternative, though, as the location body and the SDP body won't be alternatives but independent items. I think they would be multipart/mixed. See this from RFC 2046: 5.1.3. Mixed Subtype The "mixed" subtype of "multipart" is intended for use when the body parts are independent and need to be bundled in a particular order. Any "multipart" subtypes that an implementation does not recognize must be treated as being of subtype "mixed". 5.1.4. Alternative Subtype The "multipart/alternative" type is syntactically identical to "multipart/mixed", but the semantics are different. In particular, each of the body parts is an "alternative" version of the same information. <snip> Ted >At 02:15 PM 5/9/2007, Dan Wing wrote: >>The now-expired draft >>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jennings-sipping-multipart-02 explored >>multipart/alternative. One difficulty, however, is what does it mean to say >>"can understand a part". >> >>This is easy if one part is SDP and another part is SDPng. If you >>understand SDPng, you process it; if you don't, you process the SDP. >> >>However, it's really hard if one part is SDP and another part is also SDP -- >>in some cases we would like the answerer to "pick the better SDP". At the >>time, we were considering multipart/alternative as a way to offer RTP >>(RTP/AVP) and SRTP (RTP/SAVP), but we found it doesn't work well at all. >>Since then, draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-capability-negotiation is a superior >>solution to sending an offer containing RTP and SRTP. >> >>I suppose we could avoid the difficulty by prohibiting identical >>Content-Types in the alternatives. >> >>-d >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Christer Holmberg (JO/LMF) >>> [mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:50 AM >>> To: Dale.Worley@comcast.net; sip@ietf.org >>> Subject: RE: [Sip] Support for Multipart/MIME >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Multipart/alternative is interesting. I guess that, for SDP, >>> it could be >>> used to provide different "offer alternatives". I think it >>> would be good >>> to compare it against some of the other grouping/alternative >>> mechanisms >>> we have defined for that purpose. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Christer >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Dale.Worley@comcast.net [mailto:Dale.Worley@comcast.net] >>> > Sent: 30. huhtikuuta 2007 19:13 >>> > To: sip@ietf.org >>> > Subject: Re: [Sip] Support for Multipart/MIME >>> > >>> > From: Cullen Jennings <fluffy@cisco.com> >>> > >>> > I think the WG should consider an update to 3261 (likely >>> > done through >>> > the process Keith has proposed) that makes this multipart/MIME >>> > mandatory to implement. >>> > >>> > I assume that the requirement is that if a message has a >>> > multipart/alternative body, and the UA is capable of >>> > understanding one part of the body, then it must be able to >>> > extract that part and use it to process the message. >>> > >>> > Dale >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip >>> > This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use >>> > sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip >>> > Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip >>> This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol >> > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip >>> Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip >>This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol >>Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip >>Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip > > >_______________________________________________ >Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip >This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol >Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip >Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
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