Re: [Sip] Chance to defend position that SIP has had poor consumer traction Etc.

"Lee Dryburgh" <dryburghl@gmail.com> Mon, 17 December 2007 01:29 UTC

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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:29:32 +0000
From: Lee Dryburgh <dryburghl@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sip] Chance to defend position that SIP has had poor consumer traction Etc.
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Sure that is probably best to avoid list flame wars that could ensure
on this rather large list.

I quickly setup a mailman private mailing list (no public archiving)
for the purposes of continuing the discussion.

Sign up here:
http://ecommmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/sip_discussion_ecommmedia.com

Once signed up, post using:
sip_discussion@ecommmedia.com

Now dropping off this list on this issue.

Thanks


Lee

On 17/12/2007, Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 16, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Lee Dryburgh wrote:
>
> > Marketing for the eComm March 2008 conference (see
> > www.eCommMedia.com) is away to drive ahead with the messages which
> > I give them. One of these messages is critical towards SIP. Before
> > the marketing material is finalised, I'd like to first welcome
> > responses. I'd love to copy all the messages but I may run the risk
> > of getting accused of spamming the list so below I've just copied
> > the section that relates to SIP:
> >
>
> Eek! This is sure to generate a major flamewar!
>
> Please respond directly to Lee, NOT THE LIST! Or, I'll make you guys
> a new list for the flamewar if needed.
>
> --
> Dean
>
>
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