Re: [Sipbrandy] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>
CC: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>, "sipbrandy@ietf.org" <sipbrandy@ietf.org>, "sipbrandy-chairs@ietf.org" <sipbrandy-chairs@ietf.org>, Datatracker on behalf of Benjamin Kaduk <noreply@ietf.org>, Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec@ietf.org>
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Hi,

>> And, just to verify (I may have asked this already earlier in the process), it is ok for a BCP to make normative updates to a Standards Track, right?
>
> That is my understanding. We usually treat BCPs as of equivalent maturity to the standards track. (sometimes even higher.)

That is how I remembered things too. Just wanted to verify.

Regards,

Christer