Re: [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-09: (with COMMENT)
Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> Tue, 28 May 2019 19:15 UTC
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From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
To: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
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Thread-Topic: [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-09: (with COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-09: (with COMMENT)
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> -----Original Message----- > From: iesg [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:04 AM > To: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> > Cc: draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp@ietf.org; sipbrandy@ietf.org; sipbrandy- > chairs@ietf.org; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>; Gonzalo Camarillo > <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com> > Subject: Re: [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-09: > (with COMMENT) > > > > > On May 28, 2019, at 4:53 AM, Barry Leiba via Datatracker > <noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > […] > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I share the question of why this is Informational and why the shepherd > > writeup doesn't explain (the writeup says little more than "yes" and "no"). > > > > This was discussed quite a bit in the WG and prior to chartering. The > reasoning for “informational” was two-fold: > > 1) The draft does not (or was not supposed to) define new or modify existing > protocols. It talks about how one can assemble existing building blocks to > make the right things happen, not how to build new blocks. So it seemed like > the most appropriate status was either “informational” or “BCP" > > 2) Two of those “existing protocols”, namely ZRTP [RFC6189] and SDP > Security Descriptions [RFC4568] are not particularly well regarded among > some of our security experts, who indicated objections to using them in a > new standards track document or BCP. Was there a reason the WG didn't include these references/caveats to the ZRTP and SSDP SD given an improved understanding of their security properties since they were published? Roman > From a strictly historical perspective, the WG originally thought it needed to > make a normative update to RFC5124. This was to be done is a separate > tightly-scoped draft to progress in MMUSIC, since SIPBRANDY was not > chartered to make normative changes to anything. However, later discussion > suggested such a change was not necessary, and the separate draft was > abandoned. > > I agree that the shepherd report or (my preference) the draft itself should > make this more clear. Perhaps some words could be added to section 1.1? > > Thanks! > > Ben (who has no unexpired hats relevant to this conversation).
- [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-sipbr… Barry Leiba via Datatracker
- Re: [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-s… Ben Campbell
- Re: [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-s… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-s… Adam Roach
- Re: [Sipbrandy] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-s… Roman Danyliw