Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-sipcore-proxy-feature
Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@cisco.com> Thu, 27 January 2011 17:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-sipcore-proxy-feature
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On 1/27/2011 11:15 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: >> Another hurdle you're going to face is harmonizing your >> proposal with RFC 5897. All three of your examples rely on >> doing, just about as vigorously as possible, precisely what >> RFC 5897 says not to do. > > Feature tags indicate support of a capability. EVERY feature tag does that - even if inserted in a Contact header field by a UA - and the feature tag specification needs to define the meaning of that capability. > > The important thing is that it cannot be assumed that other entities understand the meaning of the feature tag in order to progress a call (in such cases you will also need an option-tag, inserted in a Require/Proxy-Require header field). There was also an extended discussion (battle?), around the time the callerprefs came out, about the validity of using feature-tags (capabilities) to identify arbitrary *services* where the service was to be defined in some external, potentially restricted document. The crux of the argument was whether capabilities were orthogonal to one another or not. The concern was (and remains) that interoperability is severely limited if there are potentially many ways of specifying the same capability, as part of this service or that service. (IIRC, one of the examples used was video calling, where somebody might describe a capability "video-phone" that implies a particular combination of audio and video. Two UAs that supported this might work well together, but somebody with a UA that supports exactly the same media types and *could* interoperate if connected, might fail to interoperate for lack of specifying the proper feature-tag.) We run a risk of going through the same thing here. That is what 5897 was about too. Thanks, Paul
- [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-sipco… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Andrew Allen
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… R.Jesske
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Elwell, John
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Elwell, John
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version:draft-holmberg-si… Andrew Allen
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Adam Roach
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Adam Roach
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… R.Jesske
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… R.Jesske
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Adam Roach
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version:draft-holmberg-si… Andrew Allen
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Adam Roach
- [sipcore] Proxy-feature use-case: forking capabil… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Adam Roach
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Adam Roach
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version:draft-holmberg-si… DOLLY, MARTIN C (ATTSI)
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version:draft-holmberg-si… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Elwell, John
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-s… Elwell, John
- Re: [sipcore] "emergency" via draft-holmberg-sipc… Paul Kyzivat
- [sipcore] Draft new version: draft-holmberg-sipco… Christer Holmberg