Re: [sipcore] Session Timers (RFC 4028) for REFER, PUBLISH, MESSAGE not defined

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Wed, 13 May 2020 07:43 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>, Samir Srivastava <srivastava_samir@hush.com>
CC: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>, SIPCORE <sipcore@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [sipcore] Session Timers (RFC 4028) for REFER, PUBLISH, MESSAGE not defined
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Subject: Re: [sipcore] Session Timers (RFC 4028) for REFER, PUBLISH, MESSAGE not defined
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Hi,

Note that editorial changes ARE fine, if they are done in order to avoid confusion, or to clarify things. But, we are not going to do things that are against previously agreements (see Adam’s reply).

In the video I mentioned some things that need to be clarified, e.g. the meaning of “initial session refresh request” etc.

Regards,

Christer



From: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
Date: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 at 8.53
To: Samir Srivastava <srivastava_samir@hush.com>
Cc: "pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu" <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>, "sipcore@ietf.org" <sipcore@ietf.org>, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [sipcore] Session Timers (RFC 4028) for REFER, PUBLISH, MESSAGE not defined

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:43 AM Samir Srivastava <srivastava_samir@hush.com<mailto:srivastava_samir@hush.com>> wrote:
There are other messages in the table for which these headers are not applicable. On the same line mention these headers are not applicable for REFER, PUBLISH, MESSAGE methods. Messages apart from (re)Inv and UPD are only mentioned in the table in 4028bis and RFC 4028. 4028bis mentions in the table that these headers are not applicable for SUBSCRIBE / NOTIFY also.

Samir,

Since this change is purely editorial, serves no real purpose, and does not address any real implementation issues, it is out of scope for the 4028bis.

There is a good argument to be made, that that entire table should be removed to avoid any future queries like this in the future, but since this is editorial as well, it is likely out of scope too.

Best Regards,
_____________
Roman Shpount