Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Wed, 19 October 2005 15:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
From: Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com>
To: David R Oran <oran@cisco.com>
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On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 09:22 -0400, David R Oran wrote: > What we don't have a way of saying is "I'm busy, go try this other > place". . . . > A third way is to in fact invent a new 3xx which means exactly "Try > this other place because I'm busy" (as opposed to moved temporarily). > > Why don't we just do the last of these? It's completely > straightforward to me. At first glance, it sounds fine. But then people are going to want to say "I'm busy to you because you're on my warn list, please try this other contact " and "I'm busy because my QoS is saturated, please try this other destination" and "I'm busy because I'm in a meeting, but I could do text messaging too" and a million other things. We can't just add a new response code for every one of these. There are some fundamental problems with intertwingling applications that use SIP with the SIP protocol itself, and I think that the path you're suggesting leads to continuances of this layer violation model. Of course, we could just accept that the application-protocol layer is completely violated in the SIP model, and just make the best of what we have. I suppose that is an alternative. -- Dean _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dolly, Martin C, ALABS
- [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retarg… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… GARCIN Sebastien RD-CORE-ISS
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- [Sipping] Do we have a problem with History-Info … Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- [Sipping] draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargetin… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Dan Wing
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Mary Barnes
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Mary Barnes
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… David R Oran
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Jeroen van Bemmel
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-02.txt henry
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Arjun Roychowdhury
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… henry
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Medhavi Bhatia
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… henry
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… David R Oran
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dale R. Worley
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Gonzalo Camarillo
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John