Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt

Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@cisco.com> Mon, 17 October 2005 18:14 UTC

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From: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
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Francois,

Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but I think the two of you are 
talking past one another. My understanding was that Mike was proposing 
that the 302 be returned with a Reason:486 in it. In that case, it 
appears that the H-I should be populated with the 486 rather than the 302.

	Paul

Francois Audet wrote:
> If an SBC stips out URI parameters, it will certainly cause breakage.
> I think SBC vendors understand this.
> 
> SBC vendors however are likely to consider History-Info removal to
> be a "feature" similar to topology hiding...
> 
> --
> 
> On the 486 thing... 
> 
> Many gateways and SIP phones implement Call Forwarding Busy locally 
> using 302. This means it doesn't rely on a proxy for the forwarding
> logic.
> 
> I have seen implementations using 486 with a Contact. However, there 
> is no garantee that the other side will recurse in this case (which 
> is why most people use 302).
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Hammer (mhammer) [mailto:mhammer@cisco.com] 
>>Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:46
>>To: Audet, Francois [SC100:9T51:EXCH]; sipping
>>Cc: Elwell, John
>>Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: 
>>draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
>>
>>
>>With respect to 302 v. 486, there seems to be differences of 
>>opinion about which takes precedence.  You say 302, others 
>>say 486.  This begs for a BCP.  Seems like the supplied 
>>Reason header should take precedence. 
>>
>>Correction, I should have said first non-3xx entry to get the 
>>voicemail behavior you describe.
>>
>>Below, I am not talking about modifying the H-I headers 
>>information at all, just making use of what is present in 
>>that header, which doesn't seem to be defined.
>>
>>And as for what an SBC will muck with or not, anything in the 
>>message is open to manipulation.  I don't know of anything 
>>that could stop it from stripping parameters it doesn't know about.
>>
>>Mike
> 
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