Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@cisco.com> Mon, 17 October 2005 18:14 UTC
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Francois, Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but I think the two of you are talking past one another. My understanding was that Mike was proposing that the 302 be returned with a Reason:486 in it. In that case, it appears that the H-I should be populated with the 486 rather than the 302. Paul Francois Audet wrote: > If an SBC stips out URI parameters, it will certainly cause breakage. > I think SBC vendors understand this. > > SBC vendors however are likely to consider History-Info removal to > be a "feature" similar to topology hiding... > > -- > > On the 486 thing... > > Many gateways and SIP phones implement Call Forwarding Busy locally > using 302. This means it doesn't rely on a proxy for the forwarding > logic. > > I have seen implementations using 486 with a Contact. However, there > is no garantee that the other side will recurse in this case (which > is why most people use 302). > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Michael Hammer (mhammer) [mailto:mhammer@cisco.com] >>Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:46 >>To: Audet, Francois [SC100:9T51:EXCH]; sipping >>Cc: Elwell, John >>Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: >>draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt >> >> >>With respect to 302 v. 486, there seems to be differences of >>opinion about which takes precedence. You say 302, others >>say 486. This begs for a BCP. Seems like the supplied >>Reason header should take precedence. >> >>Correction, I should have said first non-3xx entry to get the >>voicemail behavior you describe. >> >>Below, I am not talking about modifying the H-I headers >>information at all, just making use of what is present in >>that header, which doesn't seem to be defined. >> >>And as for what an SBC will muck with or not, anything in the >>message is open to manipulation. I don't know of anything >>that could stop it from stripping parameters it doesn't know about. >> >>Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping > This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip > Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP > _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dolly, Martin C, ALABS
- [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retarg… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… GARCIN Sebastien RD-CORE-ISS
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- [Sipping] Do we have a problem with History-Info … Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- [Sipping] draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargetin… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Dan Wing
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Mary Barnes
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Mary Barnes
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… David R Oran
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Jeroen van Bemmel
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-02.txt henry
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Arjun Roychowdhury
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… henry
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Medhavi Bhatia
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… henry
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… David R Oran
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dale R. Worley
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Gonzalo Camarillo
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John