RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
"Henry Sinnreich" <henry@pulver.com> Tue, 11 October 2005 15:46 UTC
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From: Henry Sinnreich <henry@pulver.com>
To: "'Michael Hammer (mhammer)'" <mhammer@cisco.com>, "'Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat)'" <pkyzivat@cisco.com>, "'Elwell, John'" <john.elwell@siemens.com>
Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
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> seems rather a belief of whatever religion one subscribes to > We don't need to discuss that further here. Then please don't make such statements any more on the list. Thanks, Henry -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hammer (mhammer) [mailto:mhammer@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:14 AM To: henry@pulver.com; Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat); Elwell, John Cc: sipping Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt Henry, Since this point relies on how one assumes the average person will adopt new technology and what they do with the old technology when migrating from one to the other, I'd prefer to leave this "ghost" buried. This seems rather a belief of whatever religion one subscribes to. I prefer to leave this to be answered by the market as the proof will be in the adoption rate. We don't need to discuss that further here. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Sinnreich [mailto:henry@pulver.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:57 AM > To: Michael Hammer (mhammer); Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat); 'Elwell, John' > Cc: 'sipping' > Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: > draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt > > Mike, > > >It is a backward compatibility issue to be able to interoperate with > >the > PSTN. > >If we ever expect SIP to become dominant we need to overcome > that entropy. > > This statement was the object of many arguments on the list > and not everyone agrees with it. Actually, if I remember > well, a chair person stated an opposing view and it was also > clearly stated in recent Internet Drafts. > > Can someone recall what it was that "SIP services are not an > emulation of the PSTN"? > > Sorry, but this ghost seems to come up more frequent than Halloween. > > Thanks, Henry > _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dolly, Martin C, ALABS
- [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retarg… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… GARCIN Sebastien RD-CORE-ISS
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- [Sipping] Do we have a problem with History-Info … Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- [Sipping] draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargetin… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
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- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
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- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Dan Wing
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
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- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
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- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
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- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
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- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
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- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Jeroen van Bemmel
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
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- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Arjun Roychowdhury
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… henry
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- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… David R Oran
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dale R. Worley
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- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John