Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer procedures
"Christer Holmberg" <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Thu, 15 May 2008 10:32 UTC
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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@cisco.com>, sipping List <sipping@ietf.org>
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Hi, When thinking about which alternative is the best, I think it's also good to keep the following in mind: It is not only the SDP that may be "updated" by the "intermediate" transactions. For example, I guess the remote target could also be updated (see example below). So, what happens to that if the re-INVITE then fails? So, whatever alternative we go for, I think that we should apply the same rule to whatever data (SDP, remote target etc) has been updated between the re-INVITE request and error response. Otherwise we will really create a mess with confusion and interop problems. Does anyone have a problem with taking the-same-rule-applies-to-all-data approach? Example with updated remote target: re-INVITE -------------------> UPDATE with new rem.target---> <- 200 (UPDATE) -------------- <- 4xx (re-INVITE) ----------- What happens to the new remote target? Is it kept, or is there a fallback to whatever remote target was used before the UPDATE was sent? Regards, Christer -----Original Message----- From: sipping-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sipping-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg Sent: 9. toukokuuta 2008 10:19 To: Paul Kyzivat; Gonzalo Camarillo Cc: mmusic-chairs@tools.ietf.org; sipping; Mary Barnes Subject: Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer procedures Hi, I agree with Paul. We need to choose *some* solution. So, I think it would be good that anyone who has a preference indicates that. Regards, Christer -----Original Message----- From: sipping-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sipping-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat Sent: 8. toukokuuta 2008 15:51 To: Gonzalo Camarillo Cc: mmusic-chairs@tools.ietf.org; sipping; Mary Barnes Subject: Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer procedures I agree that sipping is the right place for the work, and that it ought to be done, eventually. It hasn't seemed like especially pressing, but apparently 3gpp thinks otherwise. I agree that, at least on the surface, it is less important which solution is chosen than it is that *some* solution be chosen. But there are pros and cons to the two obvious approaches, so it is best to do more than just flip a coin. Thanks, Paul Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Folks, > > the SIPPING WG has received the following LS from 3GPP: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/444/ > > We have talked to the MMUSIC chairs (MMUSIC was in the cc: of this LS) > and they are OK with working on this LS in SIPPING. In any case, we > will send our answer to the MMUSIC folks for comments before getting > back to 3GPP. > > This LS has to do with the offer/answer method, which was developed by > MMUSIC, but is also related to the SIP machinery associated to > offer/answer (i.e., rejected re-INVITEs). That is why we consider > SIPPING the right place to discuss it. > > Comments on this LS are appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Gonzalo > SIPPING co-chair > _______________________________________________ > Sipping mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping > This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use > sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use > sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP > _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
- [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer proce… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Sanjay Sinha (sanjsinh)
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Sanjay Sinha (sanjsinh)
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Sanjay Sinha (sanjsinh)
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Ian Elz
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Sanjay Sinha (sanjsinh)
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Anders Kristensen
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… hannu.hietalahti
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Liaison Statement on offer/answer p… Christer Holmberg
- [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp Liai… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Rockson Li (zhengyli)
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Rockson Li (zhengyli)
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Ian Elz
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Robert Sparks
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Current status of response to 3gpp … Robert Sparks