RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
"Michael Hammer \(mhammer\)" <mhammer@cisco.com> Tue, 11 October 2005 16:33 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
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From: "Michael Hammer (mhammer)" <mhammer@cisco.com>
To: henry@pulver.com, "Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat)" <pkyzivat@cisco.com>, "Elwell, John" <john.elwell@siemens.com>
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Let he with no sin cast the first stone. :) Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Sinnreich [mailto:henry@pulver.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:46 AM > To: Michael Hammer (mhammer); Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat); 'Elwell, John' > Cc: 'sipping' > Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: > draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt > > > seems rather a belief of whatever religion one subscribes > to We don't > > need to discuss that further here. > > Then please don't make such statements any more on the list. > > Thanks, Henry > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hammer (mhammer) [mailto:mhammer@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:14 AM > To: henry@pulver.com; Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat); Elwell, John > Cc: sipping > Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: > draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt > > Henry, > > Since this point relies on how one assumes the average person > will adopt new technology and what they do with the old > technology when migrating from one to the other, I'd prefer > to leave this "ghost" buried. This seems rather a belief of > whatever religion one subscribes to. I prefer to leave this > to be answered by the market as the proof will be in the > adoption rate. We don't need to discuss that further here. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Henry Sinnreich [mailto:henry@pulver.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:57 AM > > To: Michael Hammer (mhammer); Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat); > 'Elwell, John' > > Cc: 'sipping' > > Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: > > draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt > > > > Mike, > > > > >It is a backward compatibility issue to be able to > interoperate with > > >the > > PSTN. > > >If we ever expect SIP to become dominant we need to overcome > > that entropy. > > > > This statement was the object of many arguments on the list and not > > everyone agrees with it. Actually, if I remember well, a > chair person > > stated an opposing view and it was also clearly stated in recent > > Internet Drafts. > > > > Can someone recall what it was that "SIP services are not > an emulation > > of the PSTN"? > > > > Sorry, but this ghost seems to come up more frequent than Halloween. > > > > Thanks, Henry > > > _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dolly, Martin C, ALABS
- [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retarg… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… GARCIN Sebastien RD-CORE-ISS
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- [Sipping] Do we have a problem with History-Info … Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- [Sipping] draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargetin… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Dan Wing
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Mary Barnes
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Mary Barnes
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… David R Oran
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Jeroen van Bemmel
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John
- [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-02.txt henry
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Arjun Roychowdhury
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… henry
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Medhavi Bhatia
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… henry
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Francois Audet
- RE: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… David R Oran
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dale R. Worley
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [Sipping] draft-camarillo-sipping-sbc-funcs-0… Gonzalo Camarillo
- RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-re… Elwell, John