RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt

"Michael Hammer \(mhammer\)" <mhammer@cisco.com> Tue, 11 October 2005 16:33 UTC

Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EPN4P-0000j0-1D; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:33:41 -0400
Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EPN4N-0000iq-Dv for sipping@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:33:39 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13191 for <sipping@ietf.org>; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:33:36 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPNEW-0000Oi-80 for sipping@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:44:08 -0400
Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Oct 2005 09:33:30 -0700
Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j9BGWf59018152; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from xmb-rtp-20b.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.53]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:33:24 -0400
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:33:23 -0400
Message-ID: <072C5B76F7CEAB488172C6F64B30B5E3A8C0BE@xmb-rtp-20b.amer.cisco.com>
Thread-Topic: [Sipping] Re: draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
Thread-Index: AcXN50oe+1T9HFhIR8idQWMKjH4nygAhQnUQAAG8TAAAAJZKYAABOrfQAAG5/HA=
From: "Michael Hammer (mhammer)" <mhammer@cisco.com>
To: henry@pulver.com, "Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat)" <pkyzivat@cisco.com>, "Elwell, John" <john.elwell@siemens.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2005 16:33:24.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FD05570:01C5CE81]
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cc: sipping <sipping@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: sipping@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: "SIPPING Working Group \(applications of SIP\)" <sipping.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping>, <mailto:sipping-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:sipping@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sipping-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping>, <mailto:sipping-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Sender: sipping-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: sipping-bounces@ietf.org

Let he with no sin cast the first stone.  :)

Mike 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Sinnreich [mailto:henry@pulver.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:46 AM
> To: Michael Hammer (mhammer); Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat); 'Elwell, John'
> Cc: 'sipping'
> Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: 
> draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
> 
> > seems rather a belief of whatever religion one subscribes 
> to We don't 
> > need to discuss that further here.
> 
> Then please don't make such statements any more on the list.
> 
> Thanks, Henry
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hammer (mhammer) [mailto:mhammer@cisco.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:14 AM
> To: henry@pulver.com; Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat); Elwell, John
> Cc: sipping
> Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: 
> draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
> 
> Henry,
> 
> Since this point relies on how one assumes the average person 
> will adopt new technology and what they do with the old 
> technology when migrating from one to the other, I'd prefer 
> to leave this "ghost" buried.  This seems rather a belief of 
> whatever religion one subscribes to.  I prefer to leave this 
> to be answered by the market as the proof will be in the 
> adoption rate.  We don't need to discuss that further here.
> 
> Mike
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henry Sinnreich [mailto:henry@pulver.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:57 AM
> > To: Michael Hammer (mhammer); Paul Kyzivat (pkyzivat); 
> 'Elwell, John'
> > Cc: 'sipping'
> > Subject: RE: [Sipping] Re: 
> > draft-elwell-sipping-service-retargeting-00.txt
> > 
> > Mike,
> > 
> > >It is a backward compatibility issue to be able to 
> interoperate with 
> > >the
> > PSTN.  
> > >If we ever expect SIP to become dominant we need to overcome
> > that entropy.
> > 
> > This statement was the object of many arguments on the list and not 
> > everyone agrees with it. Actually, if I remember well, a 
> chair person 
> > stated an opposing view and it was also clearly stated in recent 
> > Internet Drafts.
> > 
> > Can someone recall what it was that "SIP services are not 
> an emulation 
> > of the PSTN"?
> > 
> > Sorry, but this ghost seems to come up more frequent than Halloween.
> > 
> > Thanks, Henry
> >
> 

_______________________________________________
Sipping mailing list  https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping
This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP
Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip
Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP