Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text
Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> Wed, 22 November 2017 07:17 UTC
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From: Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text
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Gunnar said: "A non-sign language tag with video media is interpreted as a view of a speaking person" [BA] I believe that Paul pointed out that such a need can be met by asking for audio with the non-sign language tag and RFC 5888 lip sync grouping, with no language tag for the video. On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Gunnar Hellström < gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se> wrote: > Randall, > > 1. You dropped one sentence from the first paragraph in my latest proposal: > > "A non-sign language tag with video media is interpreted as a view of a > speaking person." > > It was a result of the previous discussion and reasoning, and I think it > should be reinserted. > > 2. You also changed the title proposal from " 5.4 Media, Language and > Modality indications" to "5.4 Usage Notes" > > I think it is better to have a title that tells about the topic of the > paragraph. I suggest to use the title I proposed, but I can accept yours if > you have a good reason for the change. > > Thanks, > > Gunnar > > Den 2017-11-22 kl. 03:17, skrev Bernard Aboba: > > Looks good to me. > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Randall Gellens < > rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org> wrote: > >> I agree. I made a few minor editorial changes (e.g., moving some text to >> a new paragraph): >> >> 5.4. Usage Notes >> >> A sign language tag with a video media stream is interpreted as an >> indication for sign language in the video stream. A non-sign >> language tag with a text media stream is interpreted as an >> indication for written language in the text stream. A non-sign >> language tag with an audio media stream is interpreted as an >> indication for spoken language in the audio stream. >> >> This document does not define any other use for language tags in >> video media (such as how to indicate visible captions in the video >> stream). >> >> In the IANA registry of language subtags per BCP 47 [RFC5646], a >> language subtag with a Type field "extlang" combined with a Prefix >> field value "sgn" indicates a sign language tag. The absense of >> such "sgn" prefix indicates a non-sign language tag. >> >> This document does not define the use of sign language tags in text >> or audio media. >> >> This document does not define the use of language tags in media >> other than interactive streams of audio, video, and text (such as >> "message" or "application"). Such use could be supported by future >> work or by application agreement. >> >> >> At 11:50 PM +0100 11/21/17, Gunnar Hellström wrote: >> >> Den 2017-11-21 kl. 23:08, skrev Randall Gellens: >>> >>> Based on the text and comments from Gunnar, brian, Paul, and Bernard, >>>> here is what I propose to replace section 5.4 with: >>>> >>>> 5.4. Usage Notes >>>> >>>> A sign language tag with a video stream is interpreted as an >>>> indication for sign language in the video stream. A non-sign >>>> language tag with text media is interpreted as an indication for >>>> written language. A non-sign language tag with audio media is >>>> interpreted as an indication for spoken language. >>>> >>>> In the IANA registry of language subtags per BCP 47 [RFC5646], a >>>> language subtag with a Type field "extlang" combined with a Prefix >>>> field value "sgn" indicates a sign language tag. The absense of >>>> such "sgn" prefix indicates a non-sign language tag. This document >>>> does not define any other use for language tags in video media >>>> (such as how to indicate visible captions). >>>> >>>> This document does not define the use of sign language tags in text >>>> or audio media. >>>> >>>> This document does not define the use of language tags in media >>>> other than interactive streams of audio, video, and text (such as >>>> "message" or "application"). >>>> >>>> <GH> Good, I hope that "non-sign language" can be an accepted term. >>> I provide a slightly modified 5.4 proposal, with a bit more consistent >>> language in the first paragraph, and the mentioning of further work or >>> application agreement reinserted. I think that is better than just saying >>> that it is not defined. I also added the spoken language in video is a view >>> of a speaker according to recent discussion in another mail. >>> I really hope to find that we are converging now. >>> >>> ------------------------------new text ------------------------------ >>> ------------- >>> 5.4 Media, Language and Modality indications >>> >>> A sign language tag with video media is interpreted as an >>> indication for sign language in the video stream. A non-sign >>> language tag with text media is interpreted as an indication for >>> written language. A non-sign language tag with audio media is >>> interpreted as an indication for spoken language. A non-sign >>> language tag with video media is interpreted as a view of a >>> speaking person. This document does not define any other >>> use for language tags in video media (such as how to indicate >>> visible captions in the video stream). >>> >>> In the IANA registry of language subtags per BCP 47 [RFC5646], a >>> language subtag with a Type field "extlang" combined with a Prefix >>> field value "sgn" indicates a sign language tag. The absense of >>> such "sgn" prefix indicates a non-sign language tag. >>> >>> This document does not define the use of sign language tags in text >>> or audio media. This document does not define the use of language tags >>> in media >>> other than interactive streams of audio, video, and text (such as >>> "message" or "application"). Such use may be supported by further work >>> or application specific agreements. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> --------------------------------- >>> Gunnar >>> -- >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> Gunnar Hellström >>> Omnitor >>> <mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se>gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se >>> +46 708 204 288 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SLIM mailing list >>> SLIM@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/slim >>> >> >> >> -- >> Randall Gellens >> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only >> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- >> Never knock the way the other cat swings. >> --Neal Cassady >> > > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Gunnar Hellström > Omnitorgunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se > +46 708 204 288 > >
- [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-negotiat… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Brian Rosen
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström