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Re: [Slim] Negotiation issue in draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Sun, 25 February 2018 06:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Slim] Negotiation issue in draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language
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Hello everybody,

>> On 18 Feb 2018, at 11:56, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>>
>>> The fact that Answers containing “pointless confusion” are allowed 
>>> means that implementations need to be prepared to handle these edge 
>>> cases. I see no benefit arising from this.

This is just a general observation, but I think human language abilities 
are much more nuanced and fluent than e.g. supported codecs. That's why 
it's difficult to call such things "pointless confusions".

Regards,   Martin.

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