Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text
Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> Wed, 22 November 2017 02:17 UTC
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From: Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:17:30 -0800
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To: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org>
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Subject: Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text
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Looks good to me. On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org> wrote: > I agree. I made a few minor editorial changes (e.g., moving some text to > a new paragraph): > > 5.4. Usage Notes > > A sign language tag with a video media stream is interpreted as an > indication for sign language in the video stream. A non-sign > language tag with a text media stream is interpreted as an > indication for written language in the text stream. A non-sign > language tag with an audio media stream is interpreted as an > indication for spoken language in the audio stream. > > This document does not define any other use for language tags in > video media (such as how to indicate visible captions in the video > stream). > > In the IANA registry of language subtags per BCP 47 [RFC5646], a > language subtag with a Type field "extlang" combined with a Prefix > field value "sgn" indicates a sign language tag. The absense of > such "sgn" prefix indicates a non-sign language tag. > > This document does not define the use of sign language tags in text > or audio media. > > This document does not define the use of language tags in media > other than interactive streams of audio, video, and text (such as > "message" or "application"). Such use could be supported by future > work or by application agreement. > > > At 11:50 PM +0100 11/21/17, Gunnar Hellström wrote: > > Den 2017-11-21 kl. 23:08, skrev Randall Gellens: >> >> Based on the text and comments from Gunnar, brian, Paul, and Bernard, >>> here is what I propose to replace section 5.4 with: >>> >>> 5.4. Usage Notes >>> >>> A sign language tag with a video stream is interpreted as an >>> indication for sign language in the video stream. A non-sign >>> language tag with text media is interpreted as an indication for >>> written language. A non-sign language tag with audio media is >>> interpreted as an indication for spoken language. >>> >>> In the IANA registry of language subtags per BCP 47 [RFC5646], a >>> language subtag with a Type field "extlang" combined with a Prefix >>> field value "sgn" indicates a sign language tag. The absense of >>> such "sgn" prefix indicates a non-sign language tag. This document >>> does not define any other use for language tags in video media >>> (such as how to indicate visible captions). >>> >>> This document does not define the use of sign language tags in text >>> or audio media. >>> >>> This document does not define the use of language tags in media >>> other than interactive streams of audio, video, and text (such as >>> "message" or "application"). >>> >>> <GH> Good, I hope that "non-sign language" can be an accepted term. >> I provide a slightly modified 5.4 proposal, with a bit more consistent >> language in the first paragraph, and the mentioning of further work or >> application agreement reinserted. I think that is better than just saying >> that it is not defined. I also added the spoken language in video is a view >> of a speaker according to recent discussion in another mail. >> I really hope to find that we are converging now. >> >> ------------------------------new text ------------------------------ >> ------------- >> 5.4 Media, Language and Modality indications >> >> A sign language tag with video media is interpreted as an >> indication for sign language in the video stream. A non-sign >> language tag with text media is interpreted as an indication for >> written language. A non-sign language tag with audio media is >> interpreted as an indication for spoken language. A non-sign >> language tag with video media is interpreted as a view of a >> speaking person. This document does not define any other >> use for language tags in video media (such as how to indicate >> visible captions in the video stream). >> >> In the IANA registry of language subtags per BCP 47 [RFC5646], a >> language subtag with a Type field "extlang" combined with a Prefix >> field value "sgn" indicates a sign language tag. The absense of >> such "sgn" prefix indicates a non-sign language tag. >> >> This document does not define the use of sign language tags in text >> or audio media. This document does not define the use of language tags >> in media >> other than interactive streams of audio, video, and text (such as >> "message" or "application"). Such use may be supported by further work >> or application specific agreements. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> --------------------------------- >> Gunnar >> -- >> ----------------------------------------- >> Gunnar Hellström >> Omnitor >> <mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se>gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se >> +46 708 204 288 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SLIM mailing list >> SLIM@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/slim >> > > > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- > Never knock the way the other cat swings. > --Neal Cassady >
- [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-negotiat… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Brian Rosen
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Slim] Moving forward on draft-ietf-slim-nego… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Randall Gellens
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Keith Drage
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Proposed 5.4 text Gunnar Hellström