Re: [Slim] Use of "non-sign" term
Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> Thu, 07 December 2017 21:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Slim] Use of "non-sign" term
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I am working on a publication request to the IESG. If there are further issues, they can be raised in IETF last call. > On Dec 7, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Gunnar Hellström <gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se> wrote: > > Bernard, > I agree with your conclusion and suggest that you make the final decision on which variant to proceed with. > > Thanks, > > Gunnar > >> Den 2017-12-07 kl. 20:08, skrev Bernard Aboba: >> Gunnar has made a proposal for clarification of the language in Section 5.4 that would use "tag for a non-signed language" instead of "non-sign language": >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/slim/current/msg01192.html >> >> IMHO, this would yield a (slight) improvement in clarity. >> >> At the same time, Gunnar has also found some use of the term "non-sign language": >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/slim/current/msg01193.html >> >> Such as: >> "It's thought that the system could help deaf users make presentations to non-sign language speaking crowds. " >> >> and >> >> "Several researchers (Corina et al., 1992; Emmorey et al., 2004; Marshall and Fink, 2001) have established that different neural systems subserve sign language production and non-sign language pantomimic _expression_." >> >> It can be argued that the first usage uses non-sign to mean "crowds whose members do not speak any sign language", which is not the same meaning we are intending. >> >> However, the second usage appears much closer to our intention. >> >> Gunnar therefore proposes that the text can be left as is, and the only objection appears to be from Keith. >> >> Given the rather minor nature of the issue and the arguments, I believe WG census is that it is acceptable for the document to be advanced as is, with or without Gunnar's proposed change. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SLIM mailing list >> SLIM@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/slim > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Gunnar Hellström > Omnitor > gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se > +46 708 204 288
- [Slim] Use of "non-sign" term Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Slim] Use of "non-sign" term Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [Slim] Use of "non-sign" term Bernard Aboba