Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP
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Cc: IETF SmartObjectDir <smartobjectdir@ietf.org>, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP
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+1 Mehmet From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Bruce Nordman Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:59 PM To: Vint Cerf Cc: IETF SmartObjectDir; Russ Housley; Fred Baker (fred) Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP +1 You could also suggest that they establish a liaison with the IETF. I realize that the SGIP will not be an SDO but that should not be a problem. --Bruce On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote: +1 On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> wrote: I'm reporting on recent events in the Smart Grid Interoperability Panel. SGIP continues doing what it does, which is reviewing standards from a variety of bodies but mostly IEC, for their place in the Smart Grid. They're mostly happy with IETF standards and plan to use them. The past four years have been an educational process on my part, mostly trying to ensure that wherever they can use IPv4, they can also use IPv6. I have written one RFC at their request, and inserted an IPv6-related comment into one IEC specification-in-development. Communications is not their primary interest; most specifications that deal with communications at all, such as RFC 6142, specify it down to what is referred to as the "ISO Transport API", by which they mean RFC 2126. For the most part, it is normalization of what we might call MIBs and object models and working out the details of business-to-business exchanges at the application layer. SGIP has been funded by ARRA money - the ~$800B initiative to "get America working" with "shovel-ready" projects in 2009. In ARRA, about $28B was set aside for grid modernization, and about $4.5B of that specifically for computerization of it. Four years later, that money has been allocated or spent, and SGIP has to find other funding. Hence, SGIP is becoming a membership organization. Anyone who wants a place at the table has to pay a membership fee. There is a schedule of fees for for-profit and not-for-profit institutions; if we are to be members, I think it would be ISOC as a member, and I would expect SGIP to invoice according to ISOC's PIR+organizational member donations revenue. What I have told George Arnold of NIST and Paul Molitor of NEMA is that the equation has the flow of value in the wrong direction. I am there, representing the IETF, as a service to SGIP, but we don't derive value from the SGIP or from SGIP participation. Hence, having us pay a fee for the privilege of offering a service doesn't make sense. Rather, I am willing to participate as a guest when invited, and the IETF is willing to receive liaison notes and do work on the behalf of the industry as we have in 6lowpan, roll, and core. If anyone disagrees with my assessment, now would be the time to say so :-) _______________________________________________ smartobjectdir mailing list smartobjectdir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir _______________________________________________ smartobjectdir mailing list smartobjectdir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir -- Bruce Nordman Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory nordman.lbl.gov BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943
- [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Vint Cerf
- Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Richard Shockey
- Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Bruce Nordman
- Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Russ Housley
- Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Ralph Droms
- Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [smartobjectdir] Smart Grid and SGIP Joe Touch