Re: [smartobjectdir] Charter

Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> Sun, 09 October 2011 20:21 UTC

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On Oct 9, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Vint Cerf wrote:

> some people might argue that "management" captures both telemetry and control...

Other people would remember that the M in SNMP stands for Management, and in that case it only means Monitoring :-)

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> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> wrote:
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>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:27 AM, JP Vasseur wrote:
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>>> There are other terms in us, 6lowpan (sometimes used to refer to IP smart object network, although it does point
>>> out to a specific set of technologies, LLN (Low power and Lossy Networks, …).
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>> I'll argue that those refer to a specific category of such networks, one using IEEE 802.15.4; there are a number of other link layer technologies in use that don't necessarily have the same characteristics and for which 6lowpan isn't obviously relevant. I see tying it to a specific MAC/PHY as a trap. The important thing for us is that IP (of which 6lowpan is a compression) transcends the MAC/PHY in use and potentially connects it to networks composed of more traditional technologies such as IEEE 802.3.
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>>> Thanks for updating the charter, I would just propose to replace "telemetry and control" by "sensing and actuating".
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>> Willing enough, although I again see a potential trap. When we talk about industrial automation, management of water displays like the Bellagio Fountains, and so on, "actuating" is a great word in it primary meaning of "cause (a machine or device) to operate"; that goes straight back to Latin. That said, not every "action" in a network is the movement of a device; it also might change the thresholds in the sensor or do some other non-physical thing - that for which we might use the term "configuration". I talk about "control", because it includes both. Similarly, sensing to me is somewhat limited; the obvious meaning would be to somehow measure some physical thing like movement or temperature. In a building control system, it the actions might also include reporting state, such as "you announced that lamp X should change state to 'on'; lamp X is now 'on'". In space communications, the paradigm has been for some time "command and telemetry"; someone tells a satellite or space probe to do something, such as turn a camera in a specific direction, and the continuous stream of data from the satellite/probe might include the direction the camera is pointed. We observe, eventually, that the command has had a certain effect because we see the change in the telemetry it reports. Hence I use the terms "control" and "telemetry", as they include "sensing" and "actuating" but are not limited to their meanings.
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>> Other opinions?
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