Re: [smartpower-interest] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-baker-ietf-core-10

Paul Duffy <paduffy@cisco.com> Wed, 10 November 2010 07:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-baker-ietf-core-10
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Hi Alper,

I disagree with this wording, particularly the word "widely" used in 
conjunction with PANA.  It leaves the uninformed reader with the 
impression that 802.1X and PANA are on equal footings.  They are not.  
802.1X is widely deployed, PANA is just starting up its deployment curve.

Cheers


On 11/10/2010 2:35 AM, Alper Yegin wrote:
> Hi Fred,
>
> Yoshi had already sent the text. Please see attached.
>
>     When used in conjunction with EAP-TLS [RFC5216], both IEEE 802.1X
>     [IEEE802.1X] and the Protocol for Carrying Authentication for
>     Network Access (PANA) [RFC5191] are widely considered
>     to offer access security to a wired or wireless IEEE 802
>     LAN (PANA in conjunction with EAP-TLS is the baseline for Zigbee
>     SEP 2.0).
>
>
> This works (dropped the "excellent" too).
>
> I'd not agree with Paul's "gaining traction" term, as Zigbee Alliance has
> already decided to use PANA.
>
> Alper
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Baker [mailto:fred@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:21 AM
> To: Alper Yegin
> Cc: smartpower-interest@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Fwd: New Version Notification for
> draft-baker-ietf-core-10
>
> I have asked for text before, and I have used the text I have been given.
> Send text.
>
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>
>> Hi Fred,
>>
>>
>>    When used in conjunction with IEEE 802.1X [IEEE802.1X], both EAP-TLS
>>    [RFC5216] and the Protocol for Carrying Authentication for Network
>>    Access (PANA) [RFC5193] are widely considered to offer excellent
>>    access security to a wired or wireless IEEE 802 LAN (IEEE 802.1X in
>>    conjunction with EAP-TLS is the baseline for Zigbee SEP 2.0).
>>
>>
>> This text still has issues.
>>
>> Zigbee SEP 2.0 is using PANA, not IEEE 802.1X.
>>
>> Also, there is some mix-up with regard to the relationship among 1X,
> EAP-TLS
>> and PANA in this text. EAP-TLS is an EAP method which is carried over EAP
>> over IEEE802.1X or EAP over PANA.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> Alper
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: smartpower-interest-bounces@ietf.org
>> [mailto:smartpower-interest-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:24 AM
>> To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org
>> Subject: [smartpower-interest] Fwd: New Version Notification for
>> draft-baker-ietf-core-10
>>
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-baker-ietf-core
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: IETF I-D Submission Tool<idsubmission@ietf.org>
>>> Date: November 8, 2010 12:20:49 PM GMT+08:00
>>> To: fred@cisco.com
>>> Cc: dmm@cisco.com
>>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-baker-ietf-core-10
>>>
>>>
>>> A new version of I-D, draft-baker-ietf-core-10.txt has been successfully
>> submitted by Fred Baker and posted to the IETF repository.
>>> Filename:	 draft-baker-ietf-core
>>> Revision:	 10
>>> Title:		 Internet Protocols for the Smart Grid
>>> Creation_date:	 2010-11-08
>>> WG ID:		 Independent Submission
>>> Number_of_pages: 57
>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>> This note identifies the key protocols of the Internet Protocol Suite
>>> for use in the Smart Grid.  The target audience is those people
>>> seeking guidance on how to construct an appropriate Internet Protocol
>>> Suite profile for the Smart Grid.  In practice, such a profile would
>>> consist of selecting what is needed for Smart Grid deployment from
>>> the picture presented here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The IETF Secretariat.
>>>
>>>
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