[smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture Committee meeting 17 February
Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> Wed, 17 February 2010 14:09 UTC
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I am forwarding in case you folks have not seen this. It is the proposed IP architecture from NERC, which is a US regulatory body. One important statement it makes is: > A final note is that this document will not make the distinction > between IP version 4 or version 6 for the purpose of analysis or > standardization. The point is simply to support IP with the version > number left to be an implementation detail determined by the utility > or service provider that would install the AMI network. That being > said, any competent network planner can easily do the math - many > investor-owned utilities have literally millions of electric meters > installed (a distinct challenge in a version 4 environment), with > this "volume problem" being compounded by the presence of other > devices including some quantity of electric vehicles as potential > roaming users in the future. That means the utility would either > have to use IPv4 very judiciously and replicate private IP space > over and over again, or move to IPv6 and address a greater number of > devices uniquely. This is not as strong a statement re IPv6 as the IETF and ARIN have proposed, but is at least a sensible one in the near term. The architecture doesn't say a lot about security, but does say this: > The C12.22 protocol also includes AES-128 security mechanisms. > Additional IP transport security protocols may be provided to > enhance and preserve the upper layer security provisions but not as > a substitute of such. Personally, I think that's an inadequate statement. The key issues are in identification, authentication, authorization, and confidentiality where appropriate. It would be really nice if http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mcgrew-fundamental-ecc-01 were approved as "suite b", and the architecture could specify the use of "suite b cryptographic standards". For those that don't know what that means, it refers to the use of elliptic curve public key cryptography without the IPR considerations that have crippled the industry's ability to use it. AES, while a very worthwhile technology, is symmetric key, which means in the AMI that the key is not in fact secret - it is known by and communicated among at least two parties. The lack of a key management infrastructure is a problem, which I would entertain useful proposals for. The architecture focuses, surprisingly, not on the use of TCP/UDP and IP (v4 or v6), but on the place of the ANSI C12 series management applications. Given that those are in the most recent filing moved from "mandatory" to "should be considered", that is interesting. One thing that would help, perhaps, is a description of how NetConf could be used instead, and an openly-defined XML-based schema (from OASYS perhaps?) that could be exchanged using it. I'm not going to write that, but would entertain submissions.
http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF
- [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture Com… Fred Baker
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Joe DiAdamo
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Fred Baker
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Phil Roberts
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Bob Hinden
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Russ Housley
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Zach Shelby
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Paul Duffy
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Greg Daley
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Greg Daley
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Davis, Terry L
- Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart Grid Architecture… Douglas Otis