Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addition to CMS
Russ Housley <housley@spyrus.com> Wed, 10 March 1999 05:03 UTC
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 04:43:31 -0500
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From: Russ Housley <housley@spyrus.com>
Subject: Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addition to CMS
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Peter:
I stayed silent to see if anyone would support your suggestion. No one
spoke for it, but no one spke against it either. I would like to heard
from the list members regarding this suggestion. I do not consider silence
a reason to make an additional recipient type....
Russ
At 04:19 AM 2/21/99 +0000, Peter Gutmann wrote:
>I don't know what the final resolution on optional vs mandatory
KEKIdentifiers
>was, but I note that PKCS #15, which AFAIK is the first non-S/MIME use of CMS
>KEK encryption, already has to explicitly state that KEKIdentifiers are null
>strings wherever they occur because they're not useful for anything (actually
>there's a "not recommended" special-case use for them, see below). I think
>this proves my earlier point that there's going to be very little use for a
>KEKIdentifier outside S/MIME, so that making it optional would be a good idea.
>
>Looking at the way KEKRecipientInfo is being used in PKCS #15, there's a
>rather obvious recipient type missing from CMS: Password-based encryption.
>PKCS #15 has a hack for this which puts the key derivation information into
>the KEKIdentifier (this being the special-case use mentioned above), but I'm
>sure this isn't what it was intended for because it isn't a key identifier at
>all but contains the AlgorithmIdentifier for the password processing. What's
>really needed is a new recipient type, PasswordRecipientInfo. Included below
>is a suggestion for this which could drop directly into the CMS draft.
>
>Peter.
>
>-- Snip --
>
>6.2.4 PasswordRecipientInfo Type
>
> Recipient information using a user-supplied password is represented in the
> type PasswordRecipientInfo. Each instance of PasswordRecipientInfo will
> transfer the content-encryption key to one or more recipients who have the
> previously agreed-upon password.
>
> PasswordRecipientInfo ::= SEQUENCE {
> version CMSVersion, -- always set to 0
> keyDerivationAlgorithm KeyDerivationAlgorithmIdentifier,
> keyEncryptionAlgorithm ContentEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier,
> encryptedKey EncryptedKey }
>
> The fields of type PasswordRecipientInfo have the following meanings:
>
> version is the syntax version number. It shall always be 0.
>
> keyDerivationAlgorithm identifies the key-derivation algorithm, and any
> associated parameters, used to derive the key-encryption key from the
> user-supplied password.
>
> keyEncryptionAlgorithm identifies the content-encryption algorithm, and
> any associated parameters, used to encrypt the content-encryption key
> with the password-derived key-encryption key.
>
> encryptedKey is the result of encrypting the content-encryption key with
> the password-derived key-encryption key.
>
> The key derivation algorithms are:
>
> KeyDerivationAlgorithmIdentifer ALGORITHM-IDENTIFIER ::= {
> { IDENTIFIED BY id-PBKDF2 },
> ...
> }
>
> For key derivation, CMS implementations must include PBKDF2 [PKCS5v2].
>
> For content (= key) encryption, CMS implementations must include
>Triple-DES
> in CBC mode, should include RC2 in CBC mode, and may include other
> algorithms (CAST-128, RC5, IDEA, Skipjack) and modes as required. CMS
> implementations should not include any KSG ciphers such as RC4.
>
>-- Snip --
>
>Comments:
>
>The ContentEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier is something like:
>
> ContentEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier ::= {
> { IDENTIFIED BY des-ede3-cbc },
> { IDENTIFIED BY rc2CBC },
> { IDENTIFIED BY cast5CBC },
> { IDENTIFIED BY rc5CBC },
> { IDENTIFIED BY ideaCBC },
> { IDENTIFIED BY desCBC },
> ... -- ... and anything else you can think of, eg Skipjack
> }
>
>but enumerating every possible one is superfluous as they're specified
>elsewhere.
>
>The content is encrypted is as per the KEK algorithm, but using the IV given
>in the ContentEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier instead of a fixed IV - this is
>just standard CMS content encryption. The advantage of using standard
OIDs is
>that it doesn't require defining a completely new set of OIDs which parallel
>all of the existing ones just to show that you're encrypting a key. Another
>way to handle this is as EncryptedContentInfo (which just adds an extra
>SEQUENCE around the existing ContentEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier +
>EncryptedContent (=EncryptedKey)), but this is probably going overboard.
>
>(I'm prepared to accept a 'kekid [0] KEKIdentifier OPTIONAL' after the
version
> number if that's what's required to get people's grunt of approval for the
> thing).
>
>(Before people complain that you can't change the key wrap algorithm, if it
> ever does become necessary to change it (and I thought the point of the
> current key wrap design process was to build a solution once and for all),
> all you need to do is increment the RecipientInfo version number and add
> whatever you feel like).
>
>Peter.
>
>
- More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addition … Peter Gutmann
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Russ Housley
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Pawling
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Rich Ankney
- RE: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Jim Schaad (Exchange)
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Peter Gutmann
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Magnus Nystrom
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Ross
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Paul Hoffman / IMC
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Russ Housley
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Bruce Greenblatt
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Paul Hoffman / IMC
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Bruce Greenblatt
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Russ Housley
- RE: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Darren Harter
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Peter Gutmann
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Pawling
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Ross
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Pawling
- RE: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Pawling
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Peter Gutmann
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… ross@secstan
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Pawling
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Peter Gutmann
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Pawling
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Peter Gutmann
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… ross@secstan
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Rich Ankney
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… John Pawling
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… ross@secstan
- Re: More on KEKIdentifiers, and a suggested addit… Russ Housley