Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-map-08.txt
Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> Tue, 13 August 2013 14:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-map-08.txt
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Med, I didn't think that unified CPE draft is to govern specific solution. But I find out that MAP must refer unified CPE draft as a normative ref in the case of MAP IS the unified solution, make sense? cheers, --satoru On 2013/08/13, at 22:46, <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > Re-, > > It seems we are in disagreement here. Looking to have more feedback for the list. > > Thanks for engaging. > > Cheers, > Med > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Ole Troan [mailto:otroan@employees.org] >> Envoyé : mardi 13 août 2013 15:00 >> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/OLN >> Cc : softwires@ietf.org >> Objet : Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-map-08.txt >> >> Med, >> >>> We both agree there is no justification to maintain the dhcp draft in the >> normative section. I consider that point closed and will wait to see this >> fixed in the document. Given that this document does not rely on how >> provisioning is achieved and given the unified CPE is where this is >> supposed to be discussed, I do still think any reference to provisioning >> should refer to the unified CPE. >> >> "not necessarily against...", is quite far from agree. ;-) >> MAP doesn't discuss the details of provisioning, but it does have a SHOULD >> to implement the MAP DHCP option. the reason for this is so that all MAP >> implementations at least support one provisioning mechanism in common. >> >> does the unified CPE propose something conflicting with the current text in >> MAP? >> (the temptation is of course to remove the normative reference, given that >> progress on a 'unified' DHCP option is slow). >> >>> It really does not make sense to not require the CE to follow the unified >> CPE behavior (in particular http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire- >> unified-cpe-01#section-3.2) if we want a minimum of coherency among the >> solutions discussed so far. >> >> that's for the unified CPE document to say. >> >>> I don't think that referring to the unified CPE draft will block the >> publication of the MAP document. This is not a technical reason BTW. >> >> no, it is not a technical reason. it is a design goal to keep MAP >> independent of the other mechanisms, i.e. it must be possible to implement >> routers that only support MAP and no other of the mechanisms. >> >>> If we maintain the same positive energy as we have started to do in the >> Atlanta meeting, I do think that we will be able to deliver all these >> documents as a package. >> >> positive energy is good! might be a little misplaced here though. ;-) >> to me it looks like we've moved the contentious parts that led to all of >> DS-lite, MAP-E, MAP-T, 4rd, LW46, Public 4over6 and no consensus to the >> DHCP/unified CPE documents. >> >> cheers, >> Ole > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
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- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Maoke
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Maoke
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… ian.farrer
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-m… Mikael Abrahamsson