Re: [Softwires] Keeping support of CE IPv4 prefixes in the v4/v6 address mapping?

Jacni Qin <jacni@jacni.com> Fri, 04 November 2011 01:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Softwires] Keeping support of CE IPv4 prefixes in the v4/v6 address mapping?
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hi,

On 11/3/2011 5:24 PM, Rémi Després wrote:
> Le 3 nov. 2011 à 10:04, Ole Troan a écrit :
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>>> Requiring ISPs to maintain IPv4 routing in their networks, just to serve the few users that need to keep IPv4 prefixes, seems to me a step backward.
>> can you clarify why this? I don't understand why IPv4 routing has to be maintained just because there is a MAP domain with full IPv4 addresses (or a rule for full IPv4 addresses)?
> I didn't say that.
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> IF the address mapping can't assign IPv4 prefixes to CEs, AND IF an ISP has to support some users needing IPv4 prefixes, it needs a tool to do it.
> I supposed that maintaining IPv4 routing was the easiest way to do it.
> If you have a better alternative, what would it be?
If the customer is likely to pay that much for a prefix, I guess these 
won't be a problem any more. For example, just setup a dedicated tunnel 
and add a piece of route for them.


Cheers,
Jacni

> As said to Med, if I misunderstood Jacni's idea, this debate can be closed.
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> Cheers,
> RD
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