Re: [Softwires] 4rd-u tunnels and stateful NAT64s
Maoke <fibrib@gmail.com> Thu, 15 March 2012 10:45 UTC
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:45:45 +0000
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From: Maoke <fibrib@gmail.com>
To: Rémi Després <despres.remi@laposte.net>
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Subject: Re: [Softwires] 4rd-u tunnels and stateful NAT64s
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i understand NAT64 makes translation between arbitrary IPv6 address to arbitrary IPv4 address. i don't understand how you make CNP in any IPv6 address. in other words, we cannot limit NAT64 stateful service only serve those IPv6 addresses with CNP. - maoke 2012/3/15 Rémi Després <despres.remi@laposte.net> > > Le 2012-03-15 à 10:59, Rémi Després a écrit : > > > Maoke, > > > > Thanks for this question. > > This subject being new, I take it on a new thread. > > > > 2012-03-15 10:38, Maoke: > > ... > >> i didn't understand the how the stateful NAT64 benefits from CNP. > > > > The point is that if a NAT64 is upgraded to support 4rd-u tunnels (thus > becoming a NAT64+) it can take IPv6 payloads as valid IPv4 payloads. > > Any protocol that this NAT64 supports is then supported e2e for 4rd-u CEs > > These CEs need not being dependent on which NAT64 supports which > protocols. > > > > Note that the NAT64 doesn't need to have CNP code. It just happens that > host IPv6 addresses it sees are checksum neutral. (Thus, IPv6 and IPv4 > payloads are the same for all protocols that have ports at the same place > as TCP/UDP/..., and the same checksum algorithm) > > Oops. > This is only true for the IPv6 host address. To construct an IPv6 address > when transmitting to a 4rd-u CE, the NAT64 should compute a CNP. (This is > to maintain the property that that middleboxes can treat tunnel packets as > valid IPv6 packets. Not a big deal, but necessary). > Sorry for having hastily added this sentence. > > RD > > > > > RD > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Softwires mailing list > > Softwires@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > >
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