Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- Service Orchestration and Desciption for Cloud Services

"Ashish Dalela (adalela)" <> Thu, 16 February 2012 15:02 UTC

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SOP has the following main goals - 


1.  Fix interoperability issues with cloud services today. Main examples
are inter-cloud, hybrid-cloud, and multi-vendor cloud. All cloud
services are being enabled through proprietary APIs today, which don't
interoperate. To interoperate across vendors, providers and customers,
we need an open standard. Ability to go across administrative domains is
a basic requirement.


2.  A clear separation between service-independent and service-dependent
pieces in cloud services. SOP is about service-independent pieces. Using
SOP, a variety of services could be accessed or advertized. Separation
between service-independent and service-dependent pieces makes the
scheme extensible to any type of service - current or future.


3.  Create a common scheme for service orchestration that can be used
across compute, network, storage, security, applications, etc. A common
set of constructs that can be applied to any service type whether it is
infrastructure or application.


The above draft describes the problems SOP is aimed to address. This is
the "requirements" draft.


The other drafts are: - describes
the use-cases and network deployments with the protocol - describes the
protocol's messages - describes service
naming, workflow construction, etc. - describes some
message flows


Thanks, Ashish



From: Thomas Nadeau [] 
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To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow)
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Orchestration and Desciption for Cloud Services



            Can you please explain what the purpose of SOP is and what
its goals are?

People on this list have been also asking how it differs from SDN(p), so

might be helpful to include that as well. 8)






On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Monique Morrow wrote:


Please join the SOP mailer 

List address: <x-msg://551/> 
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On 2/14/12 10:45 PM, "Ping Pan" <
<x-msg://551/> > wrote:

Where does OpenStack Quantum fit?

OpenStack Quantum is to have agents in controllers and networking
devices for the purpose of better transport. This is well within the
goal of SDN.


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Robert Raszuk <
<x-msg://551/> > wrote:

Actually I think those are quite separate problem spaces.

SOP aim to address the requirement of cloud to cloud communication
(hybrid or multi-domain). The way I think about this is how to
standardize and synchronize OpenStack to OpenStack instrumentation
signaling. The next step would be to actually also provide cloud to
cloud communication layer. Simple example: How to launch N VMs in
various data centers to be part of common resources for customer X.

On the contrary SDNx seems to me of totally different caliber. One way
to look at this is what and how we could use APIs exposed by existing
network control planes to define and accomplish new network services. I
quite do not see current network element control planes nor their APIs
as much relevant to cloud services.

My own personal view ;)


I'd like to get some clarification (from anyone who might know or
have an opinion) on how this would interact with/be distinct from any
of the SDNP (or whatever name we decide upon) proposed work. Is this
duplication/people striking out on their own from the nascent SDNP
effort, a companion effort that became clear as we have begun
segmenting the problem space, or something else entirely? Since this
is the first I've heard of the list, I'm thinking it's a separate
effort, but I figured I would raise the topic for discussion.


Wes George

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Purpose: Cloud services need to interoperate across cloud providers,
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