Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- Service Orchestration and Desciption for Cloud Services
Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com> Thu, 16 February 2012 17:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- Service Orchestration and Desciption for Cloud Services
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On Feb 16, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Michael Hammer wrote: > For interoperability's sake across private and public clouds from different network providers, we are looking for a protocol to be developed. Is this a service provider requirement or one from equipment vendors? > The analogy we are making is that on-demand provisioning of a voice/video network circuit between two points is done with SIP. Without interferring with that effort, and working in parallel, what is the difference with the on-demand provisioning of network/compute/storage over IP? > > Would you also argue that all the SIP work should not have been done in IETF? > Or that SIP should not have been done because there are open-source projects? I am not arguing either way; I was asking the question to the wider audience. --Tom > > Mike > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com> wrote: > > Good point Ping. That is the question in my mind. Does this belong somewhere else like where OpenStack is being done, or otherwise? > > --Tom > > > > On Feb 16, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Ping Pan wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Ashish Dalela (adalela) <adalela@cisco.com> wrote: >> This isn’t just about the network resources and SOP isn’t only about provisioning network resources. The protocol definition is generalized to support any kind of service – network included. >> >> Be careful. Others have brought up similar proposal before. IETF stands for Internet Engineering TF... Networking is the name of the game. ;-) If not networking, I fear it would be wrong place to do the work. >> >> In SDN, our focus is on networking. Further, we are trying to distance ourselves from the actual DC network fabric design (all vendor-specific so far). >> >> Regards, >> >> Ping >> _______________________________________________ >> sop mailing list >> sop@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sop > > > _______________________________________________ > sop mailing list > sop@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sop > >
- [sop] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- Service Orc… IETF Secretariat
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Monique Morrow
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [sop] FW: [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Scott Brim
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- … DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- … Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- … DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- … Ashish Dalela (adalela)