Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption for Cloud Services
Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Fri, 17 February 2012 08:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption for Cloud Services
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Ashish, I don't need to go past as I am not stuck :) I see how OS community progresses and I am also very heavily involved in IETF standardization process and I first hand see how it does not. It is not the question if it would be nice to have a standard cloud to cloud communication. In fact I expressed this already in the first mail as reply to Wes. The questions I see are: - is IETF right place to standardize it - if IETF does eventually publish something would that be accepted by community (in particular open source one) Best, R. > Robert, > > You need to go past this argument that OpenStack is healthy and by > implication IETF is not. Or, what we have proposed here will break > OpenStack. > > This effort is not opposed to any open-source effort, including > OpenStack. Its goal is to allow open and closed source to interoperate. > Unless you are mandating that every cloud controller on the planet ought > to be OpenStack, I don't see how this argument is relevant. > > The tradeoff should not be between go open source or you can never > interoperate. That hasn't worked in the past, and it won't in the case > of cloud. > > Thanks, Ashish > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:55 PM > To: Michael Hammer > Cc: Thomas Nadeau; sdnp; Ping Pan; Monique Morrow (mmorrow); > sop@ietf.org; Ashish Dalela (adalela) > Subject: Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- Service > Orchestration and Desciption for Cloud Services > > >> Yeah, having more than one standard is an issue as well. >> Would hope that we could converge early on one, but the IETF is what > it is. >> But that is not an argument against trying, or you might as well shut >> down any effort. > > Actually my only observation here is that openstack community seems to > be a very health environment where things actually get done well and > quick (read like IETF was doing in 1980s and 1990s) so I am just trying > to make sure this effort (or whatever it will be end effect of this > effort here) will not break it or will be even considered by current > openstack community. > > If someone would ask me I would say that cloud to cloud standardization > should belong and be done today in openstack community rather then in > IETF. > > Thx, > R. > _______________________________________________ > sop mailing list > sop@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sop > >
- [sop] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- Service Orc… IETF Secretariat
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Monique Morrow
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [sop] FW: [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Scott Brim
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ping Pan
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Michael Hammer
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] FW: New Non-WG Mailing List: sop… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption… Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] -- Service Orchestration and Desciption… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- … DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- … Ashish Dalela (adalela)
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- … DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: [sop] [Sdnp] New Non-WG Mailing List: sop -- … Ashish Dalela (adalela)