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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2022 11:48:30 -0000 --_000_AS1PR07MB8616C450EB54F2A74000F36C98DE9AS1PR07MB8616eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, Exactly what Roman said =96 this was added as a reminder for us to approve = during today=92s conference call, no action from the WG or the authors (and= I was not questioning the validity of the reference, I believe that=92s th= e right call both for the reference and it being normative). Thanks, Francesca From: Roman Danyliw Date: Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 02:05 To: Mike Ounsworth , Frances= ca Palombini Cc: draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms@ietf.org , lamps-chairs@ietf.org , spasm@ietf.org= , housley@vigilsec.com , The IESG Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Francesca Palombini's No Objection on draft-ietf-la= mps-cmp-algorithms-14: (with COMMENT) Hi Mike! Francesca will correct me if she intended something different. RFC8018 is an informational status document being used normatively in a pro= posed standard (PS) status document (draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-algoritms). What= should have happened is that RFC8018 should have been called out in the IE= TF LC. It wasn't. Likewise, RFC8018 wasn't permanently added to the DOWNR= EF registry (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/downref/), the list of inform= ational status documents that have been approved for use normatively in PS = documents. With IESG consensus, RFC8067 gives the IESG the means to approve this refer= ence use (of RFC8018) without having to issue another IETF Last Call. No a= ction for you. I'll handle this at the telechat tomorrow (June 2). Roman > -----Original Message----- > From: Spasm On Behalf Of Mike Ounsworth > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:18 PM > To: Francesca Palombini ; The IESG > > Cc: draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms@ietf.org; lamps-chairs@ietf.org; > spasm@ietf.org; housley@vigilsec.com > Subject: Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Francesca Palombini's No Objection on dra= ft- > ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms-14: (with COMMENT) > > Hi Francesca, > > Thank you for the review. > > This is my first time through the publication process an as author, so pl= ease > forgive the dumb question. My understanding of the downref is that this > document is Standards Track, but makes a normative ref to the Information= al > RFC 8018? Does this need further justification? > > We wanted to reference an existing definition of PBKDF2 OIDs and ASN.1 > structures rather than defining new ones. The definitions in 8018 seemed = to be > exactly what we needed. > > --- > Mike Ounsworth > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francesca Palombini via Datatracker > Sent: June 1, 2022 5:00 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms@ietf.org; lamps-chairs@ietf.org; > spasm@ietf.org; housley@vigilsec.com; housley@vigilsec.com > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Francesca Palombini's No Objection on draft-ietf-lamp= s- > cmp-algorithms-14: (with COMMENT) > > WARNING: This email originated outside of Entrust. > DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you trust the sender and know th= e > content is safe. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Francesca Palombini has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms-14: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all ema= il > addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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Exactly w= hat Roman said =96 this was added as a reminder for us to approve during to= day=92s conference call, no action from the WG or the authors (and I was no= t questioning the validity of the reference, I believe that=92s the right call both for the reference and it being norm= ative).

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Thanks,

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From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
Date: Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 02:05
To: Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth=3D40entrust.com@dmarc.ietf.org= >, Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Cc: draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms@ietf.org <draft-ietf-lamps-cm= p-algorithms@ietf.org>, lamps-chairs@ietf.org <lamps-chairs@ietf.org&= gt;, spasm@ietf.org <spasm@ietf.org>, housley@vigilsec.com <housle= y@vigilsec.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Francesca Palombini's No Objection on draft-= ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms-14: (with COMMENT)

Hi Mike!

Francesca will correct me if she intended something different.

RFC8018 is an informational status document being used normatively in a pro= posed standard (PS) status document (draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-algoritms). = What should have happened is that RFC8018 should have been called out in t= he IETF LC.  It wasn't.  Likewise, RFC8018 wasn't permanently added to the DOWNREF registry (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/downref/= ), the list of informational status documents that have been approved for u= se normatively in PS documents.

With IESG consensus, RFC8067 gives the IESG the means to approve this refer= ence use (of RFC8018) without having to issue another IETF Last Call. = No action for you.  I'll handle this at the telechat tomorrow (June 2= ).

Roman

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spasm <spasm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mike Ounsworth=
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:18 PM
> To: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>; The = IESG
> <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms@ietf.org; lamps-chairs@ietf.org; > spasm@ietf.org; housley@vigilsec.com
> Subject: Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Francesca Palombini's No Objection on = draft-
> ietf-lamps-cmp-algorithms-14: (with COMMENT)
>
> Hi Francesca,
>
> Thank you for the review.
>
> This is my first time through the publication process an as author, so= please
> forgive the dumb question. My understanding of the downref is that thi= s
> document is Standards Track, but makes a normative ref to the Informat= ional
> RFC 8018? Does this need further justification?
>
> We wanted to reference an existing definition of PBKDF2 OIDs and ASN.1=
> structures rather than defining new ones. The definitions in 8018 seem= ed to be
> exactly what we needed.
>
> ---
> Mike Ounsworth
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Thank you for the work on this document.
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> Process note to the IESG: Lars already mentioned this, but reminder - = we need
> to approve RFC 8018 as downref in conformance with RFC 8067 (and add i= t to
> the downref registry, since as Russ pointed it out, it has already bee= n Last
> Called as downref for RFC 9045:
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