Re: [lamps] [Anima] /.well-known/brski reference to brski-registry

Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Tue, 05 April 2022 17:32 UTC

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From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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On Sun, Apr 03, 2022 at 10:36:01PM -0400, Sean Turner wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Apr 1, 2022, at 02:25, Brockhaus, Hendrik <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> Von: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
> >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. März 2022 19:53
> >> 
> >>> On Mar 31, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Brockhaus, Hendrik
> >> <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you Michael for rising the questions.
> >>> 
> >>>> Von: Anima <anima-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von Michael Richardson
> >>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. März 2022 17:48
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> We were discussing the /.well-known/cmp that is in being proposed in
> >>>> draft-ietf- lamps-cmp-updates, We were comparing it to
> >>>> /.well-known/brski and /.well- known/est.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Question 2)
> >>>>  Should the CMP document be establishing a registry or not?
> >>>> 
> >>> As discussed during IETF 113 I plan to do these things in CMP Updates
> >>> - register 'cmp' in the "Well-Known URIs" registry
> >>> - define a protocol registry group "Certificate Management Protocol (CMP)"
> >>> - define a registry for "CMP Well-Known Arbitrary Label URI Segments"
> >> defining 'p' to be followed by a <profileLabel>.
> >>> In addition I would define a registry for "CMP Well-Known Operation Label URI
> >> Segments" in Lightweight CMP Profile containing the path segments defined
> >> three for http and coap use.
> >>> 
> >>> Does this makes sense?
> >> 
> >> Hendrik:
> >> 
> >> That is consistent with the discussion lat week.
> >> 
> >> Russ
> > 
> > Would it also be sufficient to have only one additional registry "CMP Well-Known URI Path Segments" containing the arbitrary label 'p' and the operation labels?
> > 
> > Hendrik
> 
> When the /.well-known/est/ was registered we only did the top level, i.e., /est/. There are no registries for the /.well-known/est/*this part*.  It’s not clear to me that you need to do anything more than get /.well-known/cmp.
> 
> What will be the registration policy [0] for the ‘p’ values? I assume FCFS (first come first served)?

I had assumed that we were just registering the value 'p' in a single
combined registry of CMP operations and path labels, but that the stuff
after 'p' was site-local and did not need to be registered.  (Though a FCFS
registry for them is not wrong.)

-Ben