[lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2026 08:50:31 -0400
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Subject: [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 at 11:40 PM David Adrian <davadria@umich.edu> wrote: > > I would have rather more sympathy for the position of the browser > providers in 2018 if they had not been so intractably opposed to adding > support for SHA-2 back when I was pushing for that in 2002. > > I'll be sure to let my 4th grade self know that the Chrome Root Program > made a bad decision in 2002, six years before Chrome was released. > The issue was brought up many times between 2002 and the point where we suddenly received an edict. My general point here is that your company is in the habit of treating the rest of the industry as something to be ignored until you decide something must happen in which case you make unilateral demands and rely on your monopoly status to enforce them.
- [lamps] TLS Client Certificates; a survey Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Mattsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Mattsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eliot Lear
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Wei Chuang
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Wei Chuang
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Levine
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey ml+ietf-tls
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificat… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Raghu Saxena
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a … Raghu Saxena
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Kemp
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Mike Ounsworth
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Mike Ounsworth
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Stephen Farrell
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… 刘鹏辉
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Ilari Liusvaara
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re… Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Ilari Liusvaara
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … 刘鹏辉
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Rob Sayre
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams