Re: [lamps] CAA tags

Ryan Sleevi <ryan-ietf@sleevi.com> Mon, 18 December 2017 20:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [lamps] CAA tags
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On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
wrote:

>
>
> > > readable text labels, like Validation=Phone?
> >
> > My issue with validation=phone is that it is not precise enough; there's
> one
> > version of validation by phone defined in the BRs today, but what if that
> > changes significantly? One could solve this by defining a versioned
> validation
> > method, e.g. validation=phone-01, with an IANA registry to register new
> ones
> > as requirements change.
>
> The lack of precision bothered me a bit too when I was proposing it,
> especially since some people have discussed breaking up some of the
> larger catch-all ones.  I like the version number, but I think we have to
> be
>
> a bit careful.  Is the version just a minimum version?  If I have CAA set
> to
>
> validation=phone-01, do I have to update my CAA record every time the
> BR validation methods are changed?  How big of a change requires revving
> the version number of the validation method?
>

> Should the BR version number be used instead?  E.g. validation=phone-1.5.4?
> This might make more sense as the BR version number does get bumped on
> every validation rev (and non-validation rev ...).
>
> > However, there does seem to be some interest in embedding information
> > about validation methods in certificates. It would be nice if there was a
> > correspondence between the namespace used in CAA and the one used in
> > certificates.
>
> That would be nice.  Maybe an IANA registry for validation methods might
> make sense, but I'm unfamiliar with how easy/difficult that is to set up/
> modify.
>

It'd be great if there was a spec writeup for discussion - or is this a
pre-spec seeds of thoughts?

I think Jacob's suggestion of OIDs is not at all unreasonable, and avoids
the ambiguities you raise and allows them to be addressed by policy in the
Forum.


> > It's easy to define a URI mapping for an existing account identifier.
> > For instance, if customers have a numeric id 123456, the CA can specify
> that
> > the corresponding account-uri is https://ca.example.net/accounts/123456.
> > There's no requirement that account-uris are fetchable.
>
> I get that, but a URI is longer and more complicated.  Quirin's research
> shows that a significant fraction of CAA users CANNOT SPELL THEIR CA'S
> NAME.  I shudder to think how they will manage to mangle a URI ...
>

I also agree with Jacob's suggestion here, and prefer a single, canonical
representation.