Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-star
Ryan Sleevi <ryan-ietf@sleevi.com> Sun, 15 July 2018 00:40 UTC
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:39:48 +0900
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Subject: Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-star
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On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 1:01 AM Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com> wrote: > > > The recently approved LAMPS WG Charter adds this work item: > > > > 3. Specify the use of short-lived X.509 certificates for which no > revocation information is made available by the Certification Authority. > > > > Short-lived certificates have a lifespan that is shorter than the time > needed to detect, report, and distribute revocation information. As a > result, revoking short-lived certificates is unnecessary and pointless. > > > > It has been suggested that the WG adopt draft-nir-saag-star as the > starting point for this work. Please voice your support or concerns on the > list. > > > _______________________________________________ > Spasm mailing list > Spasm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm I have read it, and as expressed during the charter discussion, do not support it as a place to start in its current form. The problem statement that it seems to address is still ill-defined, and it’s explanations for certain design choices are still contradictory and inconsistent. As such, it’s technical proposals lack merit for the problem or cohesion as a solution, and more work should be done to clearly articulate the problem and solution space prior to adoption. > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm> >
- [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-star Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-s… Melinda Shore
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-s… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-s… Dr. Pala
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-s… Daniel Migault
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-s… Russ Housley
- [lamps] discuss: empty OSCP (as: Re: Call for ado… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-nir-saag-s… Dr. Pala
- [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x509-… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Salz, Rich
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level trees … Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Jim Schaad
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Jim Schaad
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Jim Schaad
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Daniel Van Geest
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Adam Langley
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Jonathan Hammell
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Jim Schaad
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Call for adoption of draft-vangeest-x… Russ Housley