[lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2026 12:13:41 -0500
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 01, 2026 at 09:31:28AM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote: > Impeccable timing. Let's consult RFC 8962. > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8962.html That's disingeneous. I am not proposing that we have a protocol police. I'm proposing that when one player uses their market share to force an unwritten change to our RFCs on implementors without any public discussion, then we ought to use what leverage we have (e.g., a statement by the IAB) to object. Nico --
- [lamps] TLS Client Certificates; a survey Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Mattsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Mattsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eliot Lear
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Wei Chuang
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Wei Chuang
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Levine
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey ml+ietf-tls
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificat… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Raghu Saxena
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a … Raghu Saxena
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Kemp
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Mike Ounsworth
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Mike Ounsworth
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Stephen Farrell
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… 刘鹏辉
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Ilari Liusvaara
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re… Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Ilari Liusvaara
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … 刘鹏辉
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Rob Sayre
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams