[lamps] HP Issue - What to display to the user?
Bernie Hoeneisen <bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch> Tue, 13 October 2020 23:23 UTC
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Subject: [lamps] HP Issue - What to display to the user?
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Below a summary of the issue on 'What to display to the User?'.
This certainly needs more discussion
cheers,
Bernie
Text from slide:
1) The Receiving User Facing Message (RUFM) is the same as the Inner
Message
Any other variants to consider?
2) As a consequence, the RUFM contains no information on the Outer Message
HS Preserving Outer Message HS might be useful,
e.g. for
- Debugging (Trace HFs)
- Detecting attacks (HFs different)
Do we need to standardize a means to provide the Outer Message HS to
the user?
Conclusion at IETF-108 (as I understood):
- The Message to be displayed to the user shall be the Inner Message
- There needs to be more meta-information displayed to the user,
- We need to describe what the MUA must display to the user, but no
details of the (graphical) representation
Open questions:
- What exactely is this additional (meta-)information to be displayed to
the user?
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-marques-pep-rating-03#section-2.1
may serve as a basis for this.
- Do we need to standardize a means to provide the Outer Message HS to
the user?
I don't think so.
- [lamps] HP Issue - What to display to the user? Bernie Hoeneisen