[lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey
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Subject: [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey
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Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
> But also: how much does this differ from changing the Chrome Root
> Program policy to say that intermediate CAs chaining to WebPKI roots can
> only issue EE certs with clientAuth when they have only dNSName SANs
> (and either empty DNs or just CN=<FQDN>)? Because this alternative is
> much cheaper in terms of code that needs to change.
Yes.
And do we have any chance that NameConstraints can be used finally?
and/or marked critical.
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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
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- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Mattsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Mattsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Eliot Lear
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Wei Chuang
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Wei Chuang
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Levine
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey ml+ietf-tls
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificat… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Raghu Saxena
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a … Raghu Saxena
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey John Kemp
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] TLS Client Certificates; a surv… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Mike Ounsworth
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Mike Ounsworth
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Stephen Farrell
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Seo Suchan
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… 刘鹏辉
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Ce… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Eric Rescorla
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Ilari Liusvaara
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … David Adrian
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re… Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: Re: … Ilari Liusvaara
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Andrei Popov
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … 刘鹏辉
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: … Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: Re: Re: Re: TLS … Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Alan DeKok
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Mike Shaver
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Rob Sayre
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Nico Williams
- [lamps] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: TLS Client Certificates… Jeffrey Walton
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Peter Gutmann
- [lamps] Re: TLS Client Certificates; a survey Nico Williams