Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: CAA processing for email addresses

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Thu, 01 December 2022 00:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: CAA processing for email addresses
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Hiya,

On 30/11/2022 23:43, Mike Ounsworth wrote:
> The gmails and yahoos don't do S/MIME right?, so are probably out of
> scope here.

Well, no. Not if this proposes restricting what they can
subsequently do I'd say. Same for alumni and vanity mail
providers too and probably others of the many and varied
email corner cases perhaps.

Let's not forget the bad side effects of dmarc "p=reject"
which is also a well-intentioned and partly effective thing
aimed at only a subset of email deployments, but that has
affected many others.

> It's probably the @<gov-dept>.gov's or
> @<massivecorp>.com's who have robust enough S/MIME deployments to
> care about restricting which PKI can issue for them.
Even if so, (and it seems a reasonable guess), I don't
know to what extent such email deployments have seen
issues with certificate mis-issuance, which IIUC is the
main reason for any CAA RR.

Cheers,
S.